Line Breeding

[beth.james]

Can someone give me a quick overview of what is and isn't acceptable here? (I know this is possibly going to open out into a lot of opinions but still...)

I understand people will put a grandparent onto a dog but personally, I don't think it's right to put a dog onto his own dam? Am I wrong...?

[beth.james]

Just googled it - didn't think it would be that simple an answer to find so clearly explained

[michelle]

Beth the KC wont register any puppies that are bred by daughter to father and vice versa, something I cant quite grasp because they will register a litter from a dam that has whelped to her uncle( her sires full litter brother) someone will be along to explain this fully.

[vicky payne]

For me the closesness of the relationship between the sire and dam is not the be all and end all. Inbreeding co-efficients (COIs) are more useful. Mateselect has made it easier to browse the COI's of proposed matings BUT the kC calculation can be very flawed. I think 'we' should try to avoid the same dogs appearing in a pup's parents, grandparents and great grandparents but on occasion closer breeding may be acceptable providing the COI is low and relevant health tests are done. for linebreeding/ inbreeding to be safe a breeder must be incredibly knowledgable about the dogs/lines they are using. I don't know why the kC allow 'uncle' matings; maybe they just need to think about it a bit more!
As an aside linebreeding is often said to be used to fix desirable traits, but remember it can also fix undesirable traits such and hidden health problems.

[beth.james]

Hi again Michelle and thanks Vicky.

That was my initial reaction re Kennel Club registration, but the resulting progeny is registered I've been provided with this particular female's KC registration number...

[vicky payne]

It's also worth remembering that the close mating 'ban' is quite a new thing for the KC and that they seem to retain the right to break their own rules regarding age at whelping, number of litters etc in some circumstances!!!

[beth.james]

Yes their rules are very flexible when it suits... But a mother/son mating just seems ludicrous

[bannvale gundogs]

yet breeding mother to son and father and daughter in poultry is commonly done in the show fraternity which is the corner stone of starting a successful show line my orpingtons i have kept a line pure and outcrossed some and the outcrossed progeny were weaker and harder to rear. i know this will put the cat amongst the pigeons but in certain cases why not allow mother son etc if uncles can.

[Teddy]

yet breeding mother to son and father and daughter in poultry is commonly done in the show fraternity which is the corner stone of starting a successful show line my orpingtons i have kept a line pure and outcrossed some and the outcrossed progeny were weaker and harder to rear. i know this will put the cat amongst the pigeons but in certain cases why not allow mother son etc if uncles can.

NO NO NO

[Greymaster]

Cat amongst the pigeons will not produce progeny though.