Newbie's First One-to-One Lesson

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Newbie's First One-to-One Lesson

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Well folks, today was my first one-on-one lesson with a local trainer. I was really nervous because up until now I had been learning in the sanctuary of a group of novice dogs with a very nice trainer in a "holiday" atmosphere. I had no idea what to expect from the trainer, nor really what he would expect from me. I knew when I arrived that he would form his opinion of me quickly, but I was determined to show that I had learned some skills over the Spring months.

To paint a picture, when I showed up to my first training holiday in Yorkshire back in April, I rocked up (late, because I was horribly lost) to a flooded farm in my red VW Beetle with Hattie lounging on the back seat, I pulled on my sister's bright pink wellies (my sensible dark ones had sprung a leak), a white bobble hat and a cream waterproof jacket (I very rarely care whether I look a state while I am walking the dogs, as I say to my sister: it isn't a fashion show). Clearly people drew their own first impressions. This time around I was determined to be better prepared - arrived on time, brought water & thorn proof trousers, my bag of dummies and other throw toys ... and the Beetle.

I think that the same first impression carried over, but I am used to being underestimated, so that's OK. I decided I would show him what we had learned instead.

Hattie up first, with Willis waiting in the car. We did some basic heel work and short retrieves. He seemed pretty happy and gave me pointers on:
- giving solid commands
- techniques to tweak Hattie's hold
- best way to genuinely praise (note: he told me flank-rubbing was not OK for praise, so I have to go back to the drawing board on that)
- using the slip lead properly

I felt quietly confident as Hattie and I have a good bond and it seemed to show. He did say that he could tell I was a molly-coddler from the way I asked her to do things, but over all it has always worked for Hattie and I because she is naturally very submissive, so I'd say we kind of got away with that.

Tony said I was definitely ready to book in for one of the Gundog Club field tests in a few weeks and I am hopeful that we'll do well. This is something I wanted to do so that I can learn bits in small sections and then apply them practically in a kind of academic fashion ... just need to work more regularly with the heavier dummies as she is still not 100% comfortable carrying them.

Willis ... oh, Willis. I did him no favours by taking him out on such a warm morning, so by the time it got to his turn he was hot, bothered and stroppy. This makes a change from belligerent, dominant and stroppy which was nice I suppose, but not conducive to him doing anything remotely praise-worthy. In fact, he ran in to get to a dummy, dropped it part way back and promptly went and dropped down in the shade. All my fault of course, but it certainly exacerbated his preexisting temperament for work and demonstrated just how much more of a steep learning curve this would be for him. Tony decided it was best not to push it. We will work more with him next time instead.

What I learned from today:
1) My dogs will require completely different training techniques and handling - what works for Hattie will just not work for Willis.
2) I may have to man up with Willis because currently he is the boss. I knew this but didn't want to address it.
3) I have done well with Hattie on the holiday courses - in 3 months I have learned enough not to embarrass myself in front of an experienced trainer and the research I've been doing to work on steadiness and direction in the meantime is paying off - only one run in from Hattie :dance:
4) Heel work is so much more than not pulling on the lead, and your dog walking next to you is not necessarily "walking to heel".

There is still a lot to learn, and I fear the next lesson will be hard since we will focus on Willis, but I am excited to learn the next little bit process and see if our practice in the meantime is successful. Fingers crossed for the graded test in a few weeks.

I feel I can relax a bit now as I know what to expect and I am getting a feeling of what the trainer will expect from me. Onwards and upwards :)
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Thanks for posting,I haven't had a lesson yet but I will,it looks like you learned a lot.

I hope it was supposed to be funny,I thought it was.
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good luck. you now know where you stand.
always remember you are the boss, not the dog. once thats addressed generally they fall in to line. sometimes :)
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gazbev wrote:Thanks for posting,I haven't had a lesson yet but I will,it looks like you learned a lot.

I hope it was supposed to be funny,I thought it was.
You can read it however you like. But some of it was very tongue-in-cheek :) I got a lot from just the one lesson, including the reassurance that I am doing most things correctly. I'd definitely recommend going to see someone if you're unsure or having problems you can't work out yourself. Worth it, even if it just a one-off.
Stihl 090 wrote:good luck. you now know where you stand.
always remember you are the boss, not the dog. once thats addressed generally they fall in to line. sometimes :)
Mmmh .... :think: we'll see!!
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It's been 2 and a half months since I finished my summer gundog holidays and started more regular 1-2-1 classes, with the most basic of aims - to see what would happen with my Wocker, Hattie, and my, affectionately nicknamed, Shocker, Willis. I've started seeing a local spaniel trainer fairly regularly, and an A panel judge once a month. Both offer me different insights (and both are slowly warming to Willis and his ... idiosyncrasies ;) )
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What I am finally starting to realise is that those funny looks Hattie used to give me when we were walking or playing ball or listening to the distant gunshot noise of local shoots ... those looks were looks of enthusiasm. I think if I'd have known more about gundog training when I got her, I would have known that she would be a super little dog who could achieve all sorts. As it was, I didn't, but it didn't matter because she grew up as an obedient, well-behaved pet who is now willing to give anything a go. And now that she is older we're learning lots together :)

Over the past weeks Hattie has gone from tennis ball spitter to proper little novice gundog. She passed her Grade 1 Gundog Club certificate with 79 out of 80 marks - one mark dropped because she dropped the 1lb dummy on her first retrieve. I was pleased as punch - if that assessor had known what she was like with deliveries just a few weeks before I'm not sure he would have believed it. She'll take her Grade 2 test in a few weeks. I know the field tests by the Gundog Club aren't everyone's cup of tea, but the format really works for me. I grew up taking music graded tests like this where each grade got slightly more complicated in a steady, progressive kind of way. I've read lots of articles about why the tests are not optimal (according to some) because spaniels need to be able to hunt above anything else, but to be honest we're not it to be the next great FTCHs, we're in this to learn about something we didn't know anything about 6 months ago.

Over the past few weeks Hattie has started to become more confident at hunting. She's progressed from following me side-to-side with a look of utter bewilderment to hunting for various toys in some rather nasty brambles and rose bushes. We've reached a stage now where she will go off and hunt herself and I use the turn whistle when she gets a bit rangey. I realise that there should be more control over the pattern, but for a dog who didn't really hunt at all 4 weeks ago I am told by my Spaniel Man that she is doing pretty well :dance:
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After mastering the basics of casting her out to hunt, we got started on the stop whistle. This has not come without its challenges. Because the first stage was to get her stop and acknowledge the whistle I had to start with her next to me. So, naturally, when I started to use the whistle when she was anything more than 5ft away she figured it meant "come back in and sit down near mum". I couldn't figure out how to positively reinforce the fact that sitting a little way off was what I wanted. It took about 3 or 4 weeks (and a huge argument with my trainer) for the correct behaviour to start happening. The problem was she thought being told to sit all that way away was a punishment. However, when we progressed to "stop + dummy + wait = retrieve" she began to realise what the deal was and she is far happier now to stop away from me. Result.

Last night after a few weeks of successful stopping, my trainer introduced the starter pistol. Well, Hattie thinks that this is quite possibly the best game ever. Over the summer I made a colossal faux pas when the dummy launcher was introduced. I mistook Hattie's excitement at the noise for fear. Someone gave the advice to take Hattie away from the noise of the shot and throw her ball for her after the gunshot so that she associated the noise with her ball. I'm pretty sure you can see where this is going ... :doh:

Naturally, when Hattie heard the starter pistol go off last night followed by a dummy, she flew out faster than she ever does for a retrieve. The only problem was I hadn't told her to go. This happened some 3 times. I figured the best thing to do was put the lead back on and make her sit, because the stop whistle was doing Sweet Fanny Adams at this point (obviously more work to do there!). So the homework for the next few weeks is party poppers/cap guns + a dummy + stop whistle while she is on the lead. She absolutely loves to retrieve so Spaniel Man says there should be no problem in making her sit and watch some dummies land and not let her have any of them for a week or so.
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(Thanks to Max Furnandiz for this lovely picture of Hattie on one of our training holidays)

Having been thoroughly grumpy and hot at our first lesson with Tony Brazier, Willis redeemed himself on our next lesson. His retrieves were lovely and enthusiastic and he even started following a pheasant scent at one point (thankfully not during a retrieve!). Things will take longer with Willis because sometimes his three quarters of show cocker over take his brain entirely, but I am so pleased with him because, if nothing else, these different activities are making him a lot easier to handle in general. The extra mental stimulation seems to pause the Shocker tendencies for a while and I see beautiful things from my Handsome Hybrid.

Willis will hopefully take his Grade 2 Test in the New Year. He finally realised this weekend that if he follows directional commands to one specific dummy he gets super duper praise, whereas if he picks up everything he doesn't. This has been a loooooong battle that I think we might finally be starting to win.

Being slightly younger, and much more independent than Hattie, Willis has taken to the stop whistle a lot faster. However, he still occasionally flips me the bird and buggers off to talk to other dogs instead of stopping, so there is more work to be done there (much like Hattie and the gunshot association). But it is all a learning curve that we are trying to master together so I don't mind that it is taking time.

Although Willis' hunting instincts are not very strong, one thing that he is really excelling at is retrieving. He'll go out for seens, memories, blinds, in the water, over ditches, in thick cover ... he's very confident that he will find something if he goes in the direction that I tell him to. And his delivery is brilliant. I think I learned from experience with Hattie that letting him carry things around the house and then gently take them away with a command (mine is "thank you", we're a very polite pairing :) ) works better than trying to make them distinguish between what they are allowed to pick up and carry around and what they aren't - I was on a hiding to nowhere with that set up.

Possibly the most positive thing has been Spaniel Man warming to Willis after all but dismissing him completely on our first lesson. We're now working (slowly) towards doing the Working Gundog Certificate. It won't make him a gundog, but it will give us a goal and sense of purpose which seems to be working pretty well so far.

Having two dogs that are really very different is giving me lots of cause for thought. I'm learning things from both of them and should I ever get another gundog pup (which I know I will, the question will be what flavour!) I will have a much better grasp of the things I should be doing in the early training.

I consider myself so incredibly lucky to have my two. We might not be future FTCH pairings but we're learning and enjoying this experience together and I'm thoroughly excited for every new step that we make :)
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What a great write up - thank you!
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Oh truly enjoyed reading this, thank you for sharing and well done you! :clap: :clap: :dance: :dance:

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Great report, thank you for posting :-D
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Really enjoyed reading your very well written account.
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Hahaha. Sounds like you three are all becoming well trained.
And, more importantly, having fun!
Thanks for posting. T
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