Co-efficiency less than 15%

[lee-kinsman]

Hi all,
I've been searching for a stud for my girl for a while now but i'm struggling with finding a coefficiency less than 15%. The most common is 20%. If anyone has a mo maybe you could look at her pedigree and suggest a stud. I'd like to remain around the breed average of 10% and produce flawless trialing pups.

If we could avoid the patronising comments of "before you breed you have to consider, X, Y and Z and what do you plan to do with the pups etc?" that would be really good. (I've only said that because the last post I made with a similar question the reply was least helpful). The only two trials that I have entered the judges feedback were comments like , "she's a stormer" and "keep going you could make a champion of her". They were also very surprised that she's the first cocker I've ever trained, I'd only ran two trials and I had done it all without any assistance or help. So this gives an idea of the type of dog she is. She won a COM in her second trial.

She is Nantsannan Touch the Stars.

Sire FTCH Rowston Spikey x Dam FTW/FTAW NAntsannan Amemllia

and grandparents ......

Sire FTCH Orgest Yfwr x FTCH Rowston Serena Dam FTCH Mallowdale Zander x FTW/FTAW Nantsannan Snipe.

She is a small cocker at 8Kg's with a very athletic light framed build, very stylish, lots of drive and pace, hard as hell in cover, very good retriever. Preferably looking for a dog that is trial proven also small with no faults and has style, drive, pace, and a keen retriever.

Thank you in anticipation,

Lee

[Contender]

Well, you might have to think a bit 'out of the box' when it comes to choose a stud dog - I've just looked her up and she herself has got an inbreeding co-efficiency of a little over 17% so relatively high herself which makes it a bit more difficult to get it down as you'd need to look at something different to your own lines and it needs to be an out-cross. I've just randomly picked a stud dog (Breezybrook lines) from a website and that potential mating came back as 13% . You may have to look further afield and/or think about what you like to prioritise highest with this mating as you're likely to have to compromise either on how willing you are to drive for a stud, how much the COE means to you, what type of dog you want. As a general note, remember that anyone can pick a ftw/ftch to use on their bitch but the real good dog people can pick and use a dog BEFORE it wins anything so widen your search and look at your bitch's weaknesses and find a dog that could 'improve' on them - that's basically how you improve on what you've already got now...

Natasha

[lee-kinsman]

Yes I agree. I'll travel the length of the country for the right stud and absolutely agree at looking at young dogs. Only one little frustration with her is that she can be a monkey when handling on scented areas but that isn't consistent enough for me to worry.
Thanks for that post though, good stuff
Lee

[Cass]

You might have a tough time - cockers all seem to have high COIs

[rewster68]

Hi,
FTCH Glunugies Capella, would give 14.6%with your bitch.
my mate has used him on his small cocker with great results, he wants a repeat mating again this year.
Hopd this helps.

Rewster.

[lee-kinsman]

You might have a tough time - cockers all seem to have high COIs

That's my concern. Think its time for some new blood. Does anybody know of any gamekeeper bred cockers that are free from modern trialing lines but could hold there own if trialled?

[allan450]

Their are a lot of what your looking for in ireland. bred once in awhile to keep a pup from to continue the line.Not worrying about the latest FTCH.not much of a help but their here.

[Cass]

I think finding one with a low COI won't be as hard as finding one with a low COI that has the qualities you want

[berrybushes]

Goldengroves Gripper would give you about 11%

[Cass]

How do you guys figure out COI? I believe my guy to be pretty high as he is linebred - his dam's father is his sire's grandfather.