Hi
My 8 month old working cocker bitch is really good to recall on a long lead but when off the lead will ignore the whistle and me calling her even if i have her training toys or food in my hand
Any sensible suggestions would be appreciated
Thanks
K
recall training
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Re: recall training
Don't want to sound unhelpful, but this is probably the most posted problem on this forum. There is tons of info and advise if you use the search function.
Re: recall training
viewtopic.php?f=30&t=426 For starters, as SP said there are loads of threads on recall, have a look around the Training section. Go back to basics with her and don't recall her if she is otherwise occupied - if you think she is unlikely to come - because that just teaching her its ok to completely ignore you.
Firstly put the treats / toys away, she can't see them if she is at any distance and bribery doesn't work for long with dogs as you've just found out.
Did you do all her early recall training on lead? Or does she come because you make her when on a line.
Remember to always, always, praise when she does get back to you, however angry you might be with her for b'ing off in the first place. Go into raptures, play with her, make it all worth her while.
Firstly put the treats / toys away, she can't see them if she is at any distance and bribery doesn't work for long with dogs as you've just found out.
Did you do all her early recall training on lead? Or does she come because you make her when on a line.Remember to always, always, praise when she does get back to you, however angry you might be with her for b'ing off in the first place. Go into raptures, play with her, make it all worth her while.
In life, it is important to know when to stop arguing with people and simply let them be wrong.
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Re: recall training
I think he still really need more training to go. LOL. Practice makes perfect.Hi
My 8 month old working cocker bitch is really good to recall on a long lead but when off the lead will ignore the whistle and me calling her even if i have her training toys or food in my hand
Any sensible suggestions would be appreciated
Thanks
K
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Re: recall training
This is sensible to me : First off, many, many repetitions of coming to you and being rewarded with treats or toys while out on walks. Call only once and where success will be assured because of low distraction and short distance. Lure at first and transition to rewards only produced after successfully coming to you.motormad wrote:Hi
My 8 month old working cocker bitch is really good to recall on a long lead but when off the lead will ignore the whistle and me calling her even if i have her training toys or food in my hand
Any sensible suggestions would be appreciated
Thanks
K
Progress to a long line attached to a flat collar. At this point, add a mild jerk immediately after the recall and continue with praise and rewards for coming into you. Move gradually into more distracting situations as the dog's success rate is high. Reiterating, keep the coming into you high and the ignoring of you low. However, at this stage, infrequent mistakes will make him aware that there is no choice but to return to you. And when he does, praise and a reward will keep it fun and enticing. Remember too, once you start, be consistent and always follow through.
Re: recall training
On Lead and off lead are very different things to a dog. I think you nee to forget the whole long lead thing, get the dog in a situation it is highly likely to come back to you and start some reward based training. First things a puppy should learn is coming back is great!
Its said you can force a dog into doing most things but its got to want to come back
if you think the dog might not come back then don't call it as it only teaches the dog it has a choice
if the dog disobeys only correct it on the spot it transgressed not when it eventually comes back, something you see all the time
Its said you can force a dog into doing most things but its got to want to come back
if you think the dog might not come back then don't call it as it only teaches the dog it has a choice
if the dog disobeys only correct it on the spot it transgressed not when it eventually comes back, something you see all the time
Re: recall training
I agree with kent. The dog knows when the long lead is on and when its off.
Earlier I used a lot of force when training. Ex. when the dog disobeyed the recall, I got to him, pulled a lead on and dragged him back with force while I repeated the recall command with gruff voice.
Now, I have changed my approach to dog training a lot. I do like many have written before, i.e to put the dog up to succeed, and I never give a command if i´m not 95% sure that the dog will respond.
Even though I train quite positive, I believe that when the dog know´s a command, but don´t responds to it, you have to do something about it.
You could do it like I explained above, but without dragging the dog and without getting angry. Instead, stay calm, and just repeat the command a couple of times on your way back. When correcting like this, it´s important not to look at the dog or talk while moving towards him . Show no feelings or emotions. If the dog tries to escape or play with you, don´t run after him, because you want get him(except if you are in a place where you are able to catch him) Just ignore him, and try to get him when he stops being a child. This could take a while with some dogs. You also might have to repeat this method a couple of times before he finally understands that he has to come, but when he does, give a lot of praise. The key is to be more stubborn than the dog, and he will give up.
Another method is to attach a monofilament fishing line or just something else that is almost invisible for the dog to his collar(use what you got). It has to be thick enough though
Attach it to the collar and put the collar on the dog a couple of hours before you go out for training, because then the chances are that the dog won´t think about it, or even know it´s there. Give the recall command, and right after, follow up with a jerk on the line. A lot of praise when he comes towards you. When he is about 0,5 meters from you, move a couple of meters backwards and at the same time give the command with a calm happy voice. After that you could back even a few more meters while you praise the dog. The jerk should be adjusted to the dog you train. For a puppy it´s only a small one, for a grown up dog it has to be more powerful. This method is more like a problem solving method if you have really big problems. You can shorten the lead you use by a few inches every day, and the dog won´t notice if the line is on or off.
This is just a few methods.
It sounds to me like you have a problem that wont be fixed with toys and food. Even though you want to train positive, there will always be situations where the dog wants other things more than he wants the toys and food. Of course, your goal should be not to correct at all, but sometimes there´s no other way around(in my opinion).
Earlier I used a lot of force when training. Ex. when the dog disobeyed the recall, I got to him, pulled a lead on and dragged him back with force while I repeated the recall command with gruff voice.
Now, I have changed my approach to dog training a lot. I do like many have written before, i.e to put the dog up to succeed, and I never give a command if i´m not 95% sure that the dog will respond.
Even though I train quite positive, I believe that when the dog know´s a command, but don´t responds to it, you have to do something about it.
You could do it like I explained above, but without dragging the dog and without getting angry. Instead, stay calm, and just repeat the command a couple of times on your way back. When correcting like this, it´s important not to look at the dog or talk while moving towards him . Show no feelings or emotions. If the dog tries to escape or play with you, don´t run after him, because you want get him(except if you are in a place where you are able to catch him) Just ignore him, and try to get him when he stops being a child. This could take a while with some dogs. You also might have to repeat this method a couple of times before he finally understands that he has to come, but when he does, give a lot of praise. The key is to be more stubborn than the dog, and he will give up.
Another method is to attach a monofilament fishing line or just something else that is almost invisible for the dog to his collar(use what you got). It has to be thick enough though
Attach it to the collar and put the collar on the dog a couple of hours before you go out for training, because then the chances are that the dog won´t think about it, or even know it´s there. Give the recall command, and right after, follow up with a jerk on the line. A lot of praise when he comes towards you. When he is about 0,5 meters from you, move a couple of meters backwards and at the same time give the command with a calm happy voice. After that you could back even a few more meters while you praise the dog. The jerk should be adjusted to the dog you train. For a puppy it´s only a small one, for a grown up dog it has to be more powerful. This method is more like a problem solving method if you have really big problems. You can shorten the lead you use by a few inches every day, and the dog won´t notice if the line is on or off.
This is just a few methods.
It sounds to me like you have a problem that wont be fixed with toys and food. Even though you want to train positive, there will always be situations where the dog wants other things more than he wants the toys and food. Of course, your goal should be not to correct at all, but sometimes there´s no other way around(in my opinion).