Why would you want to draw a distinction between a Ball, Frisbee and Dummy? If you don't want the dogs to run in. Don't let them.ips wrote:Sorry not sure I understand the questionSpringfield Pointers wrote:For what purpose?
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Exactly right wullie
She loves her ball and I cant expect her or me to go through the ritual of steadiness during play time. She is a pet gundog so perfection is not my goal I just want her to be mentally stimulated by doing what she was bred for.
I know she is wasted on me but she is stuck with me so we will both have to do the best we can for each other.
She loves her ball and I cant expect her or me to go through the ritual of steadiness during play time. She is a pet gundog so perfection is not my goal I just want her to be mentally stimulated by doing what she was bred for.
I know she is wasted on me but she is stuck with me so we will both have to do the best we can for each other.
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If you want to teach steadiness don't let it run in, ever.....ips wrote:Thank you, so it is possible then.AlandJake wrote:I have a cue word ("yeeha") which I use to allow my dog to run in/not remain steady to a thrown object.
Running in is huge fun, and there are times I just want to go out and enjoy time with my dog. I also have a special squeaky rubber oval ball which he loves.
To keep him switched on, sometimes I use the you are allowed to run in word and sometimes I don't. I always expect a proper retrieve to hand, no mucking about.
Any tips on the best way to teach steadiness ?
She will retrieve no problem in fact she is very keen. The delivery to hand is coming on well but not got a sat delivery yet. Phew its fun but confusing stuff for a novice. Yes I know i should prob see a trainer but I like to try things on my own first.
Many thanks to everyone for there patience with a novice and his prob daft questions.
Ian
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Pups. Depending on their heads, are allowed to run in initially. But I wouldn't allow it selectively with seasoned dogs. It's remarkable how quickly clever dogs can train people...trekmoor wrote:For this reason S.P. ..... I think ?ips wrote: I want to train steadiness to the throw but equally as she loves to retrieve her ball and would do all day I want her to have fun as well.
If I have a pup that is totally steady on land and that pup has yet to swim I find it useful to let or encourage the pup to run-in for a while when doing water retrieves.
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Ah i see. I thought maybe it was best to have a specific play thing and specific work thing. So you reckon its possible to train her to be steady when told on anything and if not told then she can run in.Springfield Pointers wrote:Why would you want to draw a distinction between a Ball, Frisbee and Dummy? If you don't want the dogs to run in. Don't let them.ips wrote:Sorry not sure I understand the questionSpringfield Pointers wrote:For what purpose?
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Do we have a default of no command means steady and a verbal command that its ok to run in and if so does the verbal command have to be given prior to each throw ?
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She is 13 mths
She is 13 mths
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A sit while delivering dummies is not essential and is not always advisable either.
Steadiness to a thrown dummy can take a while to train and there are several ways in which it can be trained. One way is to put the dog on a lead and keep it sitting as dummies are thrown by you and by other people. Some trainers give the pup treats for remaining sitting but I don't. I correct it for even attempting to get up from the sit. I push it's backside down again !
With the pup now remaining in the sit position when dummies are thrown with me right next to the pup I begin to move away from the pup before throwing the dummy with the pup on the lead and I enforce those sits too. I leave the pup at the sit and I collect the dummies myself and at once replace the pup if it moves from the sit.
Then the pup is left at the sit while I toss dummies behind me, over my shoulder, as I face the sitting pup. If the pup tries to run in I "cut it off at the pass." A checkcord can be useful for this .....just stamp hard on the trailing cord as the pup tries to dodge past you to get to the dummy and then take the dog back and replace it in the sit.
That'll do from me for the time being, I'd need to write a book to cover steadiness ......as I said there are several ways of achieving steadiness . I do strongly advise you however not to give "fun" throws while teaching steadiness, they would be likely to badly confuse the dog/pup. Do not allow run-ins when steadiness training . If you want the dog to retrieve one of the dummies then throw a single dummy and do not let the pup go for it and do not send the pup for it unless the pup has been completely steady. The retrieve is a reward for steadiness. During steadiness training to dummies which can last for weeks or even months the pup will not be getting very many retrieves. The lead or the check cord is removed only when the pup is steady .
I vary what I do when steadiness training to suit individual pups. For example , very often I do not use either a lead or a check cord . I am experienced at spotting the very first signs of an impending run in and prevent it before the dog even has it's bum off the ground. It does not sound like you have the experience to do that however ?
Steadiness training is one thing, retrieve training is another !
Wullie
Steadiness to a thrown dummy can take a while to train and there are several ways in which it can be trained. One way is to put the dog on a lead and keep it sitting as dummies are thrown by you and by other people. Some trainers give the pup treats for remaining sitting but I don't. I correct it for even attempting to get up from the sit. I push it's backside down again !
With the pup now remaining in the sit position when dummies are thrown with me right next to the pup I begin to move away from the pup before throwing the dummy with the pup on the lead and I enforce those sits too. I leave the pup at the sit and I collect the dummies myself and at once replace the pup if it moves from the sit.
Then the pup is left at the sit while I toss dummies behind me, over my shoulder, as I face the sitting pup. If the pup tries to run in I "cut it off at the pass." A checkcord can be useful for this .....just stamp hard on the trailing cord as the pup tries to dodge past you to get to the dummy and then take the dog back and replace it in the sit.
That'll do from me for the time being, I'd need to write a book to cover steadiness ......as I said there are several ways of achieving steadiness . I do strongly advise you however not to give "fun" throws while teaching steadiness, they would be likely to badly confuse the dog/pup. Do not allow run-ins when steadiness training . If you want the dog to retrieve one of the dummies then throw a single dummy and do not let the pup go for it and do not send the pup for it unless the pup has been completely steady. The retrieve is a reward for steadiness. During steadiness training to dummies which can last for weeks or even months the pup will not be getting very many retrieves. The lead or the check cord is removed only when the pup is steady .
I vary what I do when steadiness training to suit individual pups. For example , very often I do not use either a lead or a check cord . I am experienced at spotting the very first signs of an impending run in and prevent it before the dog even has it's bum off the ground. It does not sound like you have the experience to do that however ?
Steadiness training is one thing, retrieve training is another !
Wullie
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Re: pet gundog question
Willie
Many thanks very informative and helpfull thanks for taking the time to reply.
You are correct I am as novice and inexperienced as its possible to be but I am eager and willing to take advice from the obviously very knowledgeable folk on the forum and I am truly grateful for the patience shown to us novices.
Ian
Many thanks very informative and helpfull thanks for taking the time to reply.
You are correct I am as novice and inexperienced as its possible to be but I am eager and willing to take advice from the obviously very knowledgeable folk on the forum and I am truly grateful for the patience shown to us novices.
Ian
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Willie would you be so kind as to elaborate on your opening sentence re sat delivery not allways advisable ?
Willie would you be so kind as to elaborate on your opening sentence re sat delivery not allways advisable ?
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Sorry not sure I understand the question[/quote]
Why would you want to draw a distinction between a Ball, Frisbee and Dummy? If you don't want the dogs to run in. Don't let them.[/quote]
Ah i see. I thought maybe it was best to have a specific play thing and specific work thing. So you reckon its possible to train her to be steady when told on anything and if not told then she can run in.
So
Do we have a default of no command means steady and a verbal command that its ok to run in and if so does the verbal command have to be given prior to each throw ?[/quote]
Why not just have it steady all the time, the pleasure for the dog is in the retrieve. You're trying to please the dog and have it enjoying itself. The dog should be pleasing you, that way you'll get more from it. If you try to please the dog it will end up training you...
Why would you want to draw a distinction between a Ball, Frisbee and Dummy? If you don't want the dogs to run in. Don't let them.[/quote]
Ah i see. I thought maybe it was best to have a specific play thing and specific work thing. So you reckon its possible to train her to be steady when told on anything and if not told then she can run in.
So
Do we have a default of no command means steady and a verbal command that its ok to run in and if so does the verbal command have to be given prior to each throw ?[/quote]
Why not just have it steady all the time, the pleasure for the dog is in the retrieve. You're trying to please the dog and have it enjoying itself. The dog should be pleasing you, that way you'll get more from it. If you try to please the dog it will end up training you...