Cocker & Springer Greats

Stihl 090 · Post by **Stihl 090** » Tue Jul 28, 2015 4:13 pm

Well, want far off

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Of interest, those on and of of FB, there where pups advertised from the old Saighton lines,

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Sgurr · Post by **Sgurr** » Tue Jul 28, 2015 10:20 pm

And very unusual COI's. Teddy Ddu is around 30% and his daugher Sliver Bay Sweep around 2%

Cass · Post by **Cass** » Fri Jul 31, 2015 5:42 pm

Sgurr that link doesn't work for me

Stihl 090 · Post by **Stihl 090** » Fri Jul 31, 2015 5:45 pm

Cass wrote:Sgurr that link doesn't work for me

Sorry Cass,

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Stihl 090 · Post by **Stihl 090** » Fri Jul 31, 2015 5:46 pm

Sgurr wrote:And very unusual COI's. Teddy Ddu is around 30% and his daugher Sliver Bay Sweep around 2%

Interesting, why such a discrepancy ?

Sgurr · Post by **Sgurr** » Fri Jul 31, 2015 6:07 pm

Essentially, the COI is a probability of risk - the risk of both genes at a particular locus being the identical because there is a common ancestor on both the sire and dam lines. Teddy Dhu is the result of a parent/offspring mating (his dam is also his half sister through the sire) and there is other close breeding in the Saighton lines too. But put Teddy Dhu to a bitch where the common ancestors are very few and far away, an outcross in fact, and the COI of the progeny drops dramatically - Windmillwood Shot in gen 6 (think that's right) of Silver Bay Sweep's pedigree is the first one on both her sire and dam lines.

Gundogguy · Post by **Gundogguy** » Fri Jul 31, 2015 8:17 pm

It's hard to say having trained and worked with dogs from Talbot Radcliff, Saighton, Eddie Griffen Flint Mountain, and Allan Gwinn Winmillwood, and Andrew Green ParkBreck. I loved training them all, and we made champions with all of the blood lines for our selves or others here in the USA. Those that did make it in trial were just absolute superb shooting dogs and companions.

Stihl 090 · Post by **Stihl 090** » Fri Jul 31, 2015 8:28 pm

Gundogguy wrote:It's hard to say having trained and worked with dogs from Talbot Radcliff, Saighton, Eddie Griffen Flint Mountain, and Allan Gwinn Winmillwood, and Andrew Green ParkBreck. I loved training them all, and we made champions with all of the blood lines for our selves or others here in the USA. Those that did make it in trial were just absolute superb shooting dogs and companions.

Seems like you too have a good "pedigree" tell us more

Sgurr · Post by **Sgurr** » Sat Aug 01, 2015 12:04 am

Yes please, tell us more Gundogguy!

Cass · Post by **Cass** » Sat Aug 01, 2015 1:02 am

A lot of parkbreck in my dog's pedigree and some windmillwood too. Would love to hear more of these lines or the people behind them

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