ips wrote:I totally agree with that DR. Some of the very best trap shooters I have known have been able to put winning scores in with pretty much any gun.
So my lifelong quest for that one perfect shotgun that is going to make me a great shot may be in vain??
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Dawnrazor wrote:My Boss, imo one of the finest game shots in the country, shoots with a pair of Boss, open chocked with 27" barrels and fires 28g No 5/6, I've seen him shoot some of the highest birds the country has to offer, he says that if you shoot everything in the head it doesn't matter what you use!!!
I agree, it amuses me to watch people trying to stuff ultra heavy cartridges in a 20 bore and complaining about the recoil, never understood why they don't use a 12. I seem to recall something about lighter loads in a 12 having better patterns as less of the shot gets deformed.
I once went to a clay shoot with a keeper mate who was a pretty good shot, he used a hammer gun for the hell of it, as he went on the stand he got a lot of ribbing about his "Zulu" gun, after he straighted the stand he turned around and said "You don't see many Zulus on my beat now do you lads". That shut them up!
Dawnrazor wrote:My Boss, imo one of the finest game shots in the country, shoots with a pair of Boss, open chocked with 27" barrels and fires 28g No 5/6, I've seen him shoot some of the highest birds the country has to offer, he says that if you shoot everything in the head it doesn't matter what you use!!!
I agree, it amuses me to watch people trying to stuff ultra heavy cartridges in a 20 bore and complaining about the recoil, never understood why they don't use a 12. I seem to recall something about lighter loads in a 12 having better patterns as less of the shot gets deformed.
I once went to a clay shoot with a keeper mate who was a pretty good shot, he used a hammer gun for the hell of it, as he went on the stand he got a lot of ribbing about his "Zulu" gun, after he straighted the stand he turned around and said "You don't see many Zulus on my beat now do you lads". That shut them up!
I have chronod and patterned and even had antimony tested on many cartridges and I have spoken to friends who know some of the BIG gun makers and some of our very very TOP trap shooters and there is no doubt Imo that 24g patterns better than 28g
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ips wrote:I totally agree with that DR. Some of the very best trap shooters I have known have been able to put winning scores in with pretty much any gun.
So my lifelong quest for that one perfect shotgun that is going to make me a great shot may be in vain??
When you find it it will be on a stand next to a rod that will guarantee you to cast furthher and catch loads of fish every time you go.
A friend loads for a local Lord who is always included in the countries top shots He shoots Eley VIP 28 gram 6 through open chokes and is a pleasure to watch.
pontbeck wrote:A friend loads for a local Lord who is always included in the countries top shots He shoots Eley VIP 28 gram 6 through open chokes and is a pleasure to watch.
Do you know if he chooses 28 because he considers they pattern better than 32 or is it recoil related. ?
Just curious
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CockerCanuck wrote:I am curious what you guys look for in balance? I have always taken the simplistic view that short barrels make a gun quick to point and get on target, longer ones swing better and help consistent judgment of lead. I would never have thought of a long barreled quick gun. Can you articulate what you are looking for and feeling in this type of gun?
To elaborate.
I cant substantiate the following but from my experience I think a lot to do with the handling characteristics of a shotgun (ie fast or steady) is down to weight "distribution" two similar guns can balance on the hinge pin (almost all do) but the weight can be at both ends or in the middle. It is my belief that this weight "distribution" is more important or rather has a greater effect on the handling than the length of the barrell or indeed the overall weight.
Just my opinion of course.
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OK ips, I think I can get that. Fishing rods (which I know much more about) have similar characteristics. Of course they are if anything more complex because you are also dealing with flex. Added weight near the tip of a rod has huge impact but if the same weight is more evenly distributed through the top half of the rod the impact is very very different.
So would I be correct in saying a quick gun has the weight more evenly distributed through the gun but the one with the front weight distributed more toward the mussels swings better?
I'm suspicious of people who don't like dogs, but I trust a dog when it doesn't like a person. - Bill Murray
CockerCanuck wrote:
So would I be correct in saying a quick gun has the weight more evenly distributed through the gun but the one with the front weight distributed more toward the mussels swings better?
Subjective I suppose.
I find the DTeel more steady and precise than the standard 10. I can only assume that this is because of the extra weight of the sideplate thus weight distribution more central. The std 10 balances in same place but feels lighter overall (it is lighter but only marginally) and considerably livelier. As I say I cannot substantiate this theory it is just an observation based on my experience of many many trap guns.
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