Hi Comet, didn't that other Jim Keller write a book on obedience training for dogs years and years ago ....... I've got a memory of reading it .... I think ?
I'm far from being anti - collar Comet. I've used one on myself and on dogs too. I joined a U.S. forum in order to learn more about how best to use them before I did much at all with dogs using one. The first collars I saw used about 45 years ago were horrendous and made me anti-collar for many years.
The modern collars, as you've said, are much , much better due to the "levels dial" on many of them.
I much prefer to train without using a collar however, I'm not keen on the idea of whole dog training programmes revolving around e- collar use. In the U.K. , Wales has already made e- collars illegal . An incredibly stupid knee jerk reaction by a bunch of politicians who know nothing about the subject !
It is very difficult in Britain to find anyone knowledgeable enough about sensible e-collar use to learn from. I believe education is better than prohibition ....... then folk can make up their own minds . I found the U.S. forum I joined very informative and when I asked what probably sounded like stupid questions I still got good answers both on the forum itself and by P.M. from folk trying to help. A couple of them wanted to know more about British training methods in return and I obliged whenever possible. The Internet has made the exchange of information so much easier ......... if you have a question , just ask and answers come flooding back ! This seems incredible to someone my age ......... it was the Science Fiction stuff of my youth !
Wullie