Dropping bird

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IPS, do you ever throw game for her after a delivery ? Sometimes, in order to make something reliable, rewarding helps immensely but after that, insistence is similar to a lock washer. :-D
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newf wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:15 am IPS, do you ever throw game for her after a delivery ? Sometimes, in order to make something reliable, rewarding helps immensely but after that, insistence is similar to a lock washer. :-D
Not regularly newf, although on sat i did just that after the shoot, did a couple just for training
Muddling along in the hope that one day it starts to make sense.
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newf wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:15 am IPS, do you ever throw game for her after a delivery ? Sometimes, in order to make something reliable, rewarding helps immensely but after that, insistence is similar to a lock washer. :-D
And sometimes, newf, it can cause an otherwise dependable dog to come unstrung on steadiness and other training. Or if a high-octane pup spaniel or retriever, they can even get injured skidding to a halt and pouncing on cold game.

There's about 150 odd (and odder) ways of "treating" this situation, treats included, but why not give 'em something they don't really want to put to put down (but may not want to bring back to you, either :o )
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Re the toller pup I've been working with, the owner a new septuagenarian ain't real mobile at the moment, so I tell him as soon as he sends the pup for a retrieve of a dummy or bird that I've thrown, that he (the owner) should ascend a set of three patio stairs and wait for the dog to run up the stairs returning with bird or bumper in mouth, then reach down and take the retrieve from it before the pup realizes its grand feat of coordination. But I would also reiterate for ips that the side-sit delivery we use for gundogs particularly FT "waterdogs" ain't just for looks...

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crackerd wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:11 pm
newf wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:15 am IPS, do you ever throw game for her after a delivery ? Sometimes, in order to make something reliable, rewarding helps immensely but after that, insistence is similar to a lock washer. :-D
And sometimes, newf, it can cause an otherwise dependable dog to come unstrung on steadiness and other training. Or if a high-octane pup spaniel or retriever, they can even get injured skidding to a halt and pouncing on cold game.

There's about 150 odd (and odder) ways of "treating" this situation, treats included, but why not give 'em something they don't really want to put to put down (but may not want to bring back to you, either :o )

IMG_20191206_133118.jpg

Re the toller pup I've been working with, the owner a new septuagenarian ain't real mobile at the moment, so I tell him as soon as he sends the pup for a retrieve of a dummy or bird that I've thrown, that he (the owner) should ascend a set of three patio stairs and wait for the dog to run up the stairs returning with bird or bumper in mouth, then reach down and take the retrieve from it before the pup realizes its grand feat of coordination. But I would also reiterate for ips that the side-sit delivery we use for gundogs particularly FT "waterdogs" ain't just for looks...

MG
... looks like he cost you an arm and a leg...
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Bloody good 'un, SP - duly sheepish at any inchoate thoughts of a comeback for that one! :mrgreen:

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crackerd wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:11 pm
newf wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:15 am IPS, do you ever throw game for her after a delivery ? Sometimes, in order to make something reliable, rewarding helps immensely but after that, insistence is similar to a lock washer. :-D
And sometimes, newf, it can cause an otherwise dependable dog to come unstrung on steadiness and other training. Or if a high-octane pup spaniel or retriever, they can even get injured skidding to a halt and pouncing on cold game.

There's about 150 odd (and odder) ways of "treating" this situation, treats included, but why not give 'em something they don't really want to put to put down (but may not want to bring back to you, either :o )

IMG_20191206_133118.jpg

Re the toller pup I've been working with, the owner a new septuagenarian ain't real mobile at the moment, so I tell him as soon as he sends the pup for a retrieve of a dummy or bird that I've thrown, that he (the owner) should ascend a set of three patio stairs and wait for the dog to run up the stairs returning with bird or bumper in mouth, then reach down and take the retrieve from it before the pup realizes its grand feat of coordination. But I would also reiterate for ips that the side-sit delivery we use for gundogs particularly FT "waterdogs" ain't just for looks...

MG
Looks to me like she never put a foot wrong 😉.
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crackerd wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:11 pm
newf wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:15 am IPS, do you ever throw game for her after a delivery ? Sometimes, in order to make something reliable, rewarding helps immensely but after that, insistence is similar to a lock washer. :-D
And sometimes, newf, it can cause an otherwise dependable dog to come unstrung on steadiness and other training. Or if a high-octane pup spaniel or retriever, they can even get injured skidding to a halt and pouncing on cold game.

There's about 150 odd (and odder) ways of "treating" this situation, treats included, but why not give 'em something they don't really want to put to put down (but may not want to bring back to you, either :o )

IMG_20191206_133118.jpg

Re the toller pup I've been working with, the owner a new septuagenarian ain't real mobile at the moment, so I tell him as soon as he sends the pup for a retrieve of a dummy or bird that I've thrown, that he (the owner) should ascend a set of three patio stairs and wait for the dog to run up the stairs returning with bird or bumper in mouth, then reach down and take the retrieve from it before the pup realizes its grand feat of coordination. But I would also reiterate for ips that the side-sit delivery we use for gundogs particularly FT "waterdogs" ain't just for looks...

MG
Tis true MG. :think: However, I guess the dangers can be mitigated by the ground: hard pavement vs. soft ground with a bit of cover. Then too, I do allow my dogs to rough house in the garden, in my presence. That too, maybe a 'no-no' but they're dogs doing doggy things. It's a risk, inherent in being a dog, that has to be acceptable within limits of course, same as above. :)
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crackerd wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:12 pm Bloody good 'un, SP - duly sheepish at any inchoate thoughts of a comeback for that one! :mrgreen:

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It’s all armless fun. :doh:
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crackerd wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:12 pm Bloody good 'un, SP - duly sheepish at any inchoate thoughts of a comeback for that one! :mrgreen:

MG
I have no doubt you will...but either way, I wish you luck with the training, and hope it progresses steadily, you know well enough how to succeed - you just plod on, putting one foot in front of the other.
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Naj wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:39 pm
crackerd wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:12 pm Bloody good 'un, SP - duly sheepish at any inchoate thoughts of a comeback for that one! :mrgreen:

MG
It’s all armless fun. :doh:
:lol:
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