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Hybrid Retriever

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I was listening to the "Hunting Dog Podcast" the other night and a short discussion came up about these 'Hybrid Retrievers'. Essentially, a Labrador crossed with a GSP. The guest said he hunted over a few but neither of them pointed, however, they did hunt close. :?

This conversation got me thinking, again, why with all the old tried and true breeds about would someone have enough hybris to think they are going to reinvent the wheel? Why can't they just go and get a good dog and leave well enough alone ? Or, better still, just improve on the good stock around ? :think:

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Totally agree. Why reinvent the wheel? Never been into these hybrid retrievers. It's nothing but a fashionable pursuit.
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Hell ... 2-3000 dollars for a pup ... They know how to charge for a mongrel puppy! :lol: How much do you guys pay for a pedigree pup?

I think our current inbred lines could do with some hybrid vigour. Look what it’s done for cockers and Clumbers. :whistle: :lol: And all our breeds started from hybrids. It was even allowable for breeders to outcross when I started. It surely makes for healthier stock. Got a Wirehaired Vizsla and that’s a modern breed which only originated around 1950 and they’re great gundogs so there’s no telling where these crosses will end up. There are other modern breeds gaining in popularity and a big demand for Sprockers and lab/GWP crosses by keepers and lab/pointer crosses (Droppers?) have been popular in Ireland for many years. I think we get too precious about ‘purebreds’. :think:

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Springfield Pointers wrote: Fri Jan 24, 2020 2:31 am Totally agree. Why reinvent the wheel? Never been into these hybrid retrievers. It's nothing but a fashionable pursuit.
Also agree.
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Naj wrote: Fri Jan 24, 2020 8:23 am Hell ... 2-3000 dollars for a pup ... They know how to charge for a mongrel puppy! :lol: How much do you guys pay for a pedigree pup?

I think our current inbred lines could do with some hybrid vigour. Look what it’s done for cockers and Clumbers. :whistle: :lol: And all our breeds started from hybrids. It was even allowable for breeders to outcross when I started. It surely makes for healthier stock. Got a Wirehaired Vizsla and that’s a modern breed which only originated around 1950 and they’re great gundogs so there’s no telling where these crosses will end up. There are other modern breeds gaining in popularity and a big demand for Sprockers and lab/GWP crosses by keepers and lab/pointer crosses (Droppers?) have been popular in Ireland for many years. I think we get too precious about ‘purebreds’. :think:

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On the subject of mongrel pups. I had a litter last summer of KC reg ESS out of a multiple FTAW bitch to A FTCH dog. All pups docked and dew clawed, KC registered ,micro chipped ,5 weeks free insurance, puppy pack and all documentation. One person called and asked if I would accept £400 pounds as they could easily buy a sprocker for £850. I said go buy the sprocker. My pup was £600. They bought the sprocker, tail not docked, back dew claws on and obviously no documentation.
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newf wrote: Thu Jan 23, 2020 10:36 pm I was listening to the "Hunting Dog Podcast" the other night and a short discussion came up about these 'Hybrid Retrievers'. Essentially, a Labrador crossed with a GSP. The guest said he hunted over a few but neither of them pointed, however, they did hunt close. :?

This conversation got me thinking, again, why with all the old tried and true breeds about would someone have enough hybris to think they are going to reinvent the wheel? Why can't they just go and get a good dog and leave well enough alone ? Or, better still, just improve on the good stock around ? :think:

https://www.hybridretrievers.com/
:think: Ego and lack of real ability :whistle:
Using a term like `hybrid' must be a modern thing ( marketing crap ) much like the amalgamations of two breed names to create a `new breed'....I guess crossbred doesn't have the same individuality which you can attach the price tag too. :brickwall: :whistle:
As for my own breed, I know I can be rather protective of it as it is a numerically small breed, and it wouldn't take long to totally mess it up with a few bad apple breeders wanting to promote a `new breed' for themselves. It doesn't help when the registration society goes against the breed club and facilitates it :evil:
ps Naj, they are not mongrels, as mongrel is the term used to describe pups of unknown parentage :!: And this is a point made very clear when , like me you call it for what it is to the proud owner of the aforementioned `hybrid' oodle or poo :lol: :lol:
There are some perfectly good crossbreeds out there , equally there are some rubbish ones too, just as in the purebred circles. The difference is in the potential future breeding results, passing on those good traits, is statistically much lower from a crossbred than from a pure line. It is because those lines have been honed over generations to give more reliable results, with all the `hard' culling of yesteryear. This is what gives that improved chance that you'll carry over what the breed/line has shown in the current dog your breeding from.
Irresponsible breeders will breed irresponsibly, its a fact of life. People will buy pups at ridiculous prices because they are stupid, and therefore support the trade. I mean come on, after decades of animal welfare charities giving specific advise on how to buy a puppy ( and how not to :!: :doh: ). You still see numpties going and buying pups `online' and not seeing the pup with its dam or visiting the breeder.... stop the world I want to get off :brickwall: :brickwall:
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Don’t get me started on the bonkers prices asked for mongrels. :lol: Mind, heard of cocker pups going for £1300 the other day. :o The world’s gone mad. :lol:
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Naj, im soon to mate my ftch cocker bitch, if I use a ftch stud I will be lucky to get £900-1000 a pup, if I use a poodle will get £1500 all day long!
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First dog I ever owned was a first cross out of a border collie bitch and the springer dog that lived next door to it. The pups were all free to good homes . Today a so called Sprollie pup would cost hundreds. Worlds gone mad.
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A lot of underkeepers on moors have had them for 10/15 years now, you can get a lab x gwp for 400 quid.
If I was an under keeper again shooting 4/5/6 days a week I'd probably have them. Big leggy and rangey, theres no doubt they can take a lot of work.
People have to remember it's not everyone who are into pedigrees, training, trials or the like.
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