dropping gsp at distance

[liftboy1]

Hi, I`m after advice on dropping my 12 month old gsp at a distance, he is on basic training at the moment. I can drop him a 100% in the porch of my house which is about 6metres long by say 2 metres. But as soon as I take him out he seems to fondle about when the stop whistle is blown by either just standing looking at me or blatentley ignoring me. I have been at the stops for a few weeks now and I`m not a 100% sure if its working. Any advice?

[Willow]

All I am doing with my Lab, is sitting it up and walking away from it, then i call it to me and as soon as it starts to come forward i blow the sit whistle and at present she sits....now i only do this a max of twice otherwise she starts to hesitate to come into me....
It will take some time but hopefully eventually she will understand that when she is away from me and i hit the sit whistle her bum go down....

Other then that its a lot of running for me

[trekmoor]

You have started close which is good, now you need to slowly work out to further distances in small increments and always go back to a shorter distance if you get a failure ....... which you will if you're anything like me.

Wullie

[liftboy1]

The main problem is the porch like i say is a 100% but outside the porch i cant get him near me to do the drop, as i dont want to just blow the whistle and hope for the best but even on doing that and dragging him back to the spot where i blew the whistle he doesnt seem to get the message on the next drop, he is brilliant at them in confined quaters and on the lead. I feel i dont want to move on to something else as i need this right before doing anything else and as he will be a roughshooting dog this needs to be a 100% if rabbits bolt, etc. I have been advised on a line but trust me this dog is extremelly clever, when he has been on a line before he has worked out when he is off. Would dummy work being thrown to create a distraction?

[DesO'Neile]

You might find these of help.

http://glencuanpointers.wordpress.com/the-glencuan-way/

http://glencuanpointers.wordpress.com/2 ... /the-drop/

Obviously with a pointer in mind but the drop, is the drop, is the drop, irrespective of breed.

[trekmoor]

If your dog behaves when on a long line but misbehaves when not on it then you have taught it that it can by taking the line off too soon. It isn't really the dog being clever ........ most dogs would do the same if the line is removed too soon. I am not experienced in the use of long lines , the advice I just gave came from a couple of people who do use lines successfully.

Try going to a good pro-trainer for your breed of dog and let him see what is happening and ask for suggestions. A 1-2-1 session with a good trainer for an hour may cost you £30 or so but it might be well worth it to you.

Wullie

[DesO'Neile]

then i call it to me and as soon as it starts to come forward

The danger with calling a dog to you under training is that it may come to anticipate the come here and move before you want it to. I work at the drop and when I have it in place the rest is easy. Work towards getting the dog to wait for two minutes before it is allowed to move and at this stage ALWAYS walk to the dog. Do not call it to you from the drop/sit position.

[Polmaise]

then i call it to me and as soon as it starts to come forward

The danger with calling a dog to you under training is that it may come to anticipate the come here and move before you want it to. I work at the drop and when I have it in place the rest is easy. Work towards getting the dog to wait for two minutes before it is allowed to move and at this stage ALWAYS walk to the dog. Do not call it to you from the drop/sit position.

I aint no 'HPR' trainer, but that is probably the best advice for 'any dog'.or dog handler

[dgtrainer]

All I am doing with my Lab, is sitting it up and walking away from it, then i call it to me and as soon as it starts to come forward i blow the sit whistle and at present she sits....now i only do this a max of twice otherwise she starts to hesitate to come into me....

You have to be careful with this route as a dog can become sticky on its recall, as it anticipates your stop command.

I would advise first ensure the dog is 100% when using the stop whistle to signify sit when going through your heel work, with it off the lead. Then with all of my dogs I work on the stop whistle when exercising them. Take them out by themselves so there is no confusion & let them run free. When they are near i.e. within your radius of control use the stop whistle. If they dont sit use verbals to enforce the command. Once they are sitting walk forward and priase them. Then cast them on repeating the exercise periodically. Don't over do it otherwise agian they will anticipate the command. Over a period of days/weeks increase your distance.

Once trained and ready for competition I don't want them to sit, but be 100% on stopping. The sitting detracts from the style when either quartering or retrieving.

[liftboy1]

Des oneille, thanks for the input, as I have read your articles on the falconers forum as well as t-jacks, your pointer thread is brilliant. And I have heard nothing but good news from the sparkfield lines. I have been potching in the garden and just dossing about with the dog roaming and just stopping him and sitting him in various places to make it more unpredictable for him, sometimes he just stops and looks at me but if i walk towards him he sits. Il upload some pics of brockbank or brocky as we call him. He is 1 year old on the 6th and is from a sanjon mating.