Practical dog training

[neilly1690]

i think good obedientance training is the foundation for training .. a good bond between you and animal also a must ..the dog must want to please ...dont get angry with the dog .. a raised voice yes but being rough wont work in my eyes .. the odd skuff yes ...if it aint working leave it for the day ..if your uptight and getting angry the dog will sense ....and keep it fun ...dont bore the dog ta death ...only my point as said others will disagree .each to their own ...but my 3 year old works like a tropper ..after being told by a gun dog trainer that it wouldnt make it as a gun dog ...i am now starting over again with one of her pups ...little wiser ...i hope ...enjoy

[leeky]

What has made a huge difference to my training is making sure my pups understand what I'm asking of them before going into problem-solving mode as there might not even be a problem in the first place (something I've learned on here ). It's also finally sunk in just how important consistency is, not just in what/how/why the dog is being trained, but also in how I am with them day-to-day. Because I work from home and spend all my time with them, they have probably been indirectly on the receiving end of my mood/problems and Keely I think lost a little trust in me because I was angry in general for a while Now I just make sure that when I'm training/exercising/playing them that my mind is 100% on what I'm doing and not on all the other rubbish They know (well, mine do) when I'm "there", and when I'm not they tend to take the p***. Staying calm definitely helps.

[shootingstu]

i think good obedientance training is the foundation for training .. a good bond between you and animal also a must ..the dog must want to please ...dont get angry with the dog .. a raised voice yes but being rough wont work in my eyes .. the odd skuff yes ...if it aint working leave it for the day ..if your uptight and getting angry the dog will sense ....and keep it fun ...dont bore the dog ta death

Saves me writing it, my view entirely............

[Naj]

If you want to boil it all down to an essential, then 'keep it simple, stupid' is what I've learnt over the years. I now only train for stuff that I will need while shooting over the dog & don't bother with stuff that I may only use occasionally during a season, or never at all. I also like to train just the once, then concentrate all my efforts on maintaining that training 'on-the-job', so I don't get to the end of a season & have a long list of faults that I have allowed to develop & which I spend the rest of the summer trying to sort out, often only to have them pop up again when I resume shooting. But whatever methods you use to train your dog, as Leeky points out, effective communication is surely at the centre of it all. Without that you'll never train a dog.

Naj

[newf]

I appreciate everyones' input...thanks ! So I guess in summarizing all that was mentioned it would go like this: Keep it simple; develop clear communication through training; be calm; reward what you desire and correct what you don't after communication has been established. And most importantly, with all this in mind, do only what works. That may entail positives or aversions in order to get the job done speedily and humanely. Correct me, if I missed the boat !

[crackerd]

newf, did you see the thread on the other forum where you post, rtf, about "handler-(gundog) relationship," where s/he talked about "people who have a dry passionless relationship with their dog?" A little melodramatic for me, but then again I don't know anybody who works (or trains) gundogs who has "a dry passionless relationship with their dog" either. We hold to the adage It's gotta be fun - for you and the dog. And that particularly applies to training. For example, we ran some "behind enemy lines" marks







the other day to let the dogs pick something different. And bear in mind, these are US all-age field trial retrievers, the most intensively-trained dogs on the planet. They've gotta have fun at what they're doing, too.

MG

[newf]

newf, did you see the thread on the other forum where you post, rtf, about "handler-(gundog) relationship," where s/he talked about "people who have a dry passionless relationship with their dog?" A little melodramatic for me, but then again I don't know anybody who works (or trains) gundogs who has "a dry passionless relationship with their dog" either. We hold to the adage It's gotta be fun - for you and the dog. And that particularly applies to training. For example, we ran some "behind enemy lines" marks

MG

Crackerd, that's another newf on rtf, not me...I 'm not a member. However, you have my interest and will have a look at this thread, thanks !

When it comes to play, I do use tug as a reward and for teaching self control, has worked really well. I see too, from your pics that you believe the dogs know the difference from play retrieve to work retrieve though they are closely related, true ? Many traditional trainers would be horrified to play tug or to allow their dogs to play as you have demonstrated. I think, the skill is in channelling the play to meet one's needs. Many can become "training frustrated" if improper force is used and then too, plenty can be frustrated when inappropiate rewarding blurs the intended behavior.

By the way, I do believe the Geneva Convention is against the use of dogs for extracting information from prisoners.

[trekmoor]

People make a very simple process most complicated. Too much psychobabble.

That just about sums it up for me.

Wullie

[crackerd]

Reckoned some here might appreciate as practical "Tera's Training Tip of the Day," which comes to you courtesy of forcefetch.com: http://www.forcefetch.com/blog/2014/02/ ... he-day-75/

MG

[Gundogguy]

Reckoned some here might appreciate as practical "Tera's Training Tip of the Day," which comes to you courtesy of forcefetch.com: http://www.forcefetch.com/blog/2014/02/ ... he-day-75/

MG

Understand crackerd and I have never met though it is amazing how of the same people of with good solid dog training a backgrounds we are familiar with.

Mrs Tera Lanczak case in point, who summers here in Michigan and winter's in the southern part of the country Texas in the winter.
The link will lead you Tera allowing one of here students to handle a young Labrador named HrCHBlake which I had a large role in starting as a pup.

HRCH Blake's HRC handler Ms.Abby Eash will be leaving Tuedsay to begin her apprentice ship in Texas under Tera' guidance.
Abby will be doing the hands intro to non-slip retrieving and handling Derby and Qual dogs for Bay Blue Kennels.
Under Abby's handle and training HRCH Blake went 6 for 6 at the Finished HRC level.
He is quite the dog!

You will hear dogs barking in the background used as distractions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CzFCzXJJy8

In the second vid Blake will have to take a line past a dog that is on a tie-out. Force has always been a welcoming factor in developing this fine retriever. It brings clarity to job!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DExvVzNsSvw

Tera blog is good solid 1st rate information!