Socializing Puppy

[jas_williams]

Why do a pack of fox hounds who would normally only see fox hounds ,not get startled when they see other dogs or people while out with the "whips"?

Maybe They have the security of the pack ?

[Judy]

Because they are "puppy walked" by hunt followers?

[Polmaise]

Would that make them more 'protective'?...or 'unsure'?...or 'frightened'?...or 'curious'?...or 'why dont they 'ALL' , look at other different dogs or people with moustaches and hats the same way>?

Or'?....

[Polmaise]

Because they are "puppy walked" by hunt followers?

Not a bad idea!?
Though, I dont think there will be many volounteers???...but then ?...you never know?

[Snicklefritz]

Hmmm!???
So Golden retrievers only like Golden retrievers?..........and Springers only like Springers?>>>>Nah!!!
I imagine some phd scientist that is on a government grant ,spending two hours a day and getting loads a dosh for doing nothing for the rest of the week , has probably done a study? , and come up with some hair brained psycological connection that 'Milly the lab', doesn't like Oscar the Terrier'? ....and no doubt we are gonna get the 'all important', internet link !...to prove all this! , then we will definately be convinced.

Or!! maybe it's true?

Well, Robert, I see you stepped in it again

I won't give you an internet link, even though you are clearly seeking one , but I will refer you to Temple Grandin. In her book, 'Animals in Translation', she speaks of dogs 'hyper-generalizing'. Now, we all know that dogs don't generalize well, so a dog needs to meet lots of other dogs, not just their litter mates, or house mates in order to generalize the notion that dogs, in general are not threatening. Perhaps you've read the book and just forgot about that part

However, Grandin speaks of a dog having a traumatic experience with a red balloon floating across a lawn (it just scared him cause he's never seen a red balloon floating across a lawn) and generalizing to any round, red objects of any size and shape, under any circumstances including red, hot air balloons in the sky, and large red 'Red Ball' logo on the back of a gasoline tanker truck . So, it seems a reasonable hypothesis (sorry for the scientific term ) that a young dog, having had a bad experience with ANY brown dog, could generalize the notion that ALL brown dogs are threatening...hmmm???

Although, I do have to say that much of what we knew for certain about dogs has been turned on it's head relatively recently

Snick

[Megsdad]

Why do a pack of fox hounds who would normally only see fox hounds ,not get startled when they see other dogs or people while out with the "whips"?

Aah, but how do you KNOW that they don't get startled when confronted by SECs??
Fox hound peer group behaviour characteristics (PGBC), may be dictating that they don't externalise their feminine side reaction to a startling stimulus. Or put another way, they are a bunch of hooligans and don't want to behave like a wuss when they see a PERSON pushing a wheelbarrow. It certainly requires further research.

[Judy]

And is now way off topic... See new thread!

[Megsdad]

Oh you spoilsport Judy! Where's the new thread?

[Polmaise]

Hmmm!???
So Golden retrievers only like Golden retrievers?..........and Springers only like Springers?>>>>Nah!!!
I imagine some phd scientist that is on a government grant ,spending two hours a day and getting loads a dosh for doing nothing for the rest of the week , has probably done a study? , and come up with some hair brained psycological connection that 'Milly the lab', doesn't like Oscar the Terrier'? ....and no doubt we are gonna get the 'all important', internet link !...to prove all this! , then we will definately be convinced.

Or!! maybe it's true?

Well, Robert, I see you stepped in it again

I won't give you an internet link, even though you are clearly seeking one , but I will refer you to Temple Grandin. In her book, 'Animals in Translation', she speaks of dogs 'hyper-generalizing'. Now, we all know that dogs don't generalize well, so a dog needs to meet lots of other dogs, not just their litter mates, or house mates in order to generalize the notion that dogs, in general are not threatening. Perhaps you've read the book and just forgot about that part

However, Grandin speaks of a dog having a traumatic experience with a red balloon floating across a lawn (it just scared him cause he's never seen a red balloon floating across a lawn) and generalizing to any round, red objects of any size and shape, under any circumstances including red, hot air balloons in the sky, and large red 'Red Ball' logo on the back of a gasoline tanker truck . So, it seems a reasonable hypothesis (sorry for the scientific term ) that a young dog, having had a bad experience with ANY brown dog, could generalize the notion that ALL brown dogs are threatening...hmmm???

Although, I do have to say that much of what we knew for certain about dogs has been turned on it's head relatively recently

Snick

Aye mate!
And I also read the one where ,in operant conditioning, the dog seeing a red pillar box for the first time gets no reaction! ,therefore treats every other pillar box the same!....
I live out in the country, and none of mine have seen a red pillar box ....
none are afraid of it, and none are spooked by balloons,or other breeds or even the 'Croation hyperball' (sorry mike!) that came to visit!, he was from another country?
Maybe the 'whipping boy', was 'calling the shots'? ...and leading the way forward?

[Rascal]

Oh you spoilsport Judy! Where's the new thread?

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Rascal