Practical dog training

[Naj]

I daren't ask what an 'indented triple' is.

[Gundogguy]

I daren't ask what an 'indented triple' is.

Why of course you may!
Indented triple: Typically the triple has one long bird and two shorter ones, the long one being typically the middle one, sometimes run though as the go bird with the flank birds serving as poison birds to run past. In the inverted triple the middle placed bird is the short bird and the flank birds are longer. It just breaks the pattern of anticipation of the dog so that he is really marking and not running a pattern. From the dogs point of view this usually done in 35-45 degrees of the line very tight lines in deed sorts out the strong marking dogs in a hurry

[trekmoor]

I daren't ask what an 'indented triple' is.

Why of course you may!
Indented triple: Typically the triple has one long bird and two shorter ones, the long one being typically the middle one, sometimes run though as the go bird with the flank birds serving as poison birds to run past. In the inverted triple the middle placed bird is the short bird and the flank birds are longer. It just breaks the pattern of anticipation of the dog so that he is really marking and not running a pattern. From the dogs point of view this usually done in 35-45 degrees of the line very tight lines in deed sorts out the strong marking dogs in a hurry

Wow ! I'd thought an "indented triple" was a triple whisky that I'd had a slurp of.

Wullie

[farmboy]

To properly set up concept marks is a skill set on its own. The "punch"bird triple is commonly called,down this way, a "Minnesota" triple. It looks like from Louisiana the bird is in Minnesota......or Michigan.

[newf]

I daren't ask what an 'indented triple' is.

Why of course you may!
Indented triple: Typically the triple has one long bird and two shorter ones, the long one being typically the middle one, sometimes run though as the go bird with the flank birds serving as poison birds to run past. In the inverted triple the middle placed bird is the short bird and the flank birds are longer. It just breaks the pattern of anticipation of the dog so that he is really marking and not running a pattern. From the dogs point of view this usually done in 35-45 degrees of the line very tight lines in deed sorts out the strong marking dogs in a hurry

Wow ! I'd thought an "indented triple" was a triple whisky that I'd had a slurp of.

Wullie

Ahh ! Wullie, you missed the long drink cause you were sucked into the short slurp. Obviously, you have a pattern of anticipation of not getting drunk. From your point of view tight lines to the glass with your slurping deed presents no problem, however this will sort you out from the strong drinkers in the end.

[Judy]

I reckon Wullie's short slurps take in half a glass at a time. Thus becoming an in-dentures triple.

In US Trials, is it normal to have some kind of hide for the dummy thrower? Is this just for marked retrieves or both marks and blinds?

[Gundogguy]

I reckon Wullie's short slurps take in half a glass at a time. Thus becoming an in-dentures triple.

In US Trials, is it normal to have some kind of hide for the dummy thrower? Is this just for marked retrieves or both marks and blinds?

Instead of a lengthy description follow the link http://2013nrcblog.theretrievernews.com/
scroll down awe bit on the left hand side of the page will be description and photos of 10 tests used in this particular trial. 2013 NRC test descriptions>
The photo will give a good representation of what the judges will be looking for in the dogs competing. And also the tests that are devised to test the talents of dogs competing.
This link will review the 2013 US national Championships.

http://2013nrcblog.theretrievernews.com/

[newf]

I would like to ask the question about dogs that are washed out since the rtf links have been posted. The thread subject revolves round the essentials of gundog training: Is force fetch a factor in why some dogs don't make the grade...meaning the pressure of it ? Or is it usually something else entirely, for instance, lack of marking ability or lining behavior ?

Side note: I'm not knocking or critizing but genuinely curious.

[farmboy]

newf,I am not familiar with the particular RTF thread you speak of but I will try to answer your question. IMHO,marking is the critical talent that a FT dog must have in order to compete successfully. Marking can be enhanced through advanced marking drills,a naturally straight running dog is great also but again that can be improved over time. Pressure,in the case of a HT test dog that may or may not set the world on fire,can be lowered according to his mental capacity. Some can just deal with the complex situations better than others. In the case of a young FT dog(derby) if he just "knows" where the "chickens" are,well,he's hard to beat. Without that unbelievable talent (that really must be seen first hand to appreciate) he will not go far but will make an exceptional hunt test/hunting dog.

[Gundogguy]

newf,I am not familiar with the particular RTF thread you speak of but I will try to answer your question. IMHO,marking is the critical talent that a FT dog must have in order to compete successfully. Marking can be enhanced through advanced marking drills,a naturally straight running dog is great also but again that can be improved over time. Pressure,in the case of a HT test dog that may or may not set the world on fire,can be lowered according to his mental capacity. Some can just deal with the complex situations better than others. In the case of a young FT dog(derby) if he just "knows" where the "chickens" are,well,he's hard to beat. Without that unbelievable talent (that really must be seen first hand to appreciate) he will not go far but will make an exceptional hunt test/hunting dog.

+1 Marking is the 1st hurdle a young dog must demonstrate, with out the talent to mark. Time and money will not be spent on a trial career for that dog. There are many hurdles to come but marking is the first step that must be satisfied.