What to expect of an English Setter pup?
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sam_from_italy
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Re: What to expect of an English Setter pup?
@ Thanks for that, Alice.
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Re: What to expect of an English Setter pup?
I just read that in 2014 over 13.000 English Setters were registered with the Italian Kennel Club (ENCI).
That's much less than in former years when the number of pups was well over 16.000 and not counting all those pups born but not registered.
Out of curiosity I looked up some other breeds, always the new registrations for 2014:
Brittany: 3200
German Shorthair: 2630
Pointer: 2463
Bracco Italiano: 593
Irish Setter: 553
Spinone: 527
Gordon Setter: 276
Irish Red and White Setter: 0
Cocker Spaniel: 2205
English Springer Spaniel: 1676
Labrador: 9235
Golden Retriever: 6048
Flat Coated Retriever: 254
I wonder, does anyone know the numbers for the UK?
That's much less than in former years when the number of pups was well over 16.000 and not counting all those pups born but not registered.
Out of curiosity I looked up some other breeds, always the new registrations for 2014:
Brittany: 3200
German Shorthair: 2630
Pointer: 2463
Bracco Italiano: 593
Irish Setter: 553
Spinone: 527
Gordon Setter: 276
Irish Red and White Setter: 0
Cocker Spaniel: 2205
English Springer Spaniel: 1676
Labrador: 9235
Golden Retriever: 6048
Flat Coated Retriever: 254
I wonder, does anyone know the numbers for the UK?
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SpanielMad
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Re: What to expect of an English Setter pup?
Contact Dom Goutorbe @ Upperwood Setters. What he doesn't know about the breed isn't worth knowing, also a good knowledge of continental bloodlines so give him a call.
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sam_from_italy
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Re: What to expect of an English Setter pup?
@ SpanielMad - thanks!
And here was I, thinking that woodcock shooting is a safe job for dogs...
Yesterday, Kira's owner went with two of his adult English Setters in the pinewood up on the hill near my village, looking for woodcocks. The dogs were busily searching in front of him with beepers muted to not disturb the peace and quiet of the early morning, when suddenly my friend spotted a patch of blood on the male dog's hind quarters. As he didn't limp or show any sign of distress the owner presumed that he had just cut himself slightly on a piece of barbed wire but recalled him anyway. To his complete shock he found that the Setter had a long, deep cut on his thigh, right down to the bone, and a deep more circular injury in his belly.
Luckily another hunter was nearby and gave him a hand to get the dog down the hill, in the car and off to the vet, who confirmed that the Setter had been gored by a large wild boar. He was operated on at once but as yet we don't know if he'll really make it, much less if he'll ever be able to work again.
The strange thing, my friend says, is that he heard absolutely no sign of commotion, no cry from his dog, no indication from the second Setter that something unusual was going on.
Not less weird is the fact that the wild boar attacked at all. In spring, the female will charge everything that's unlucky enough to get near her den and litter, yes, but in mid-October even the youngest boars are big enough to run off with mum when they perceive danger nearby. And get away speedily is what wild boars normally do if you don't corner them - or stumble on them while they're fast asleep.
I also wonder if perhaps highly specialised breeds like Pointer and Setters no longer possess the natural instinct that tells them that certain scents (wild boar, wolf, bear) mean DANGER ahead.
Last spring, during a training session, a friend's Pointer looking for birds made straight for a thicket and was promptly chased out of it by a furious mum guarding her piglets. The Pointer got herself a tremedous hole in the inguinal region, and what did she do after her recovery a few weeks later? Of course, rushing off into the nearest thicket occupied by two young boars.
Is there a Darwin Award for dogs??
And here was I, thinking that woodcock shooting is a safe job for dogs...
Yesterday, Kira's owner went with two of his adult English Setters in the pinewood up on the hill near my village, looking for woodcocks. The dogs were busily searching in front of him with beepers muted to not disturb the peace and quiet of the early morning, when suddenly my friend spotted a patch of blood on the male dog's hind quarters. As he didn't limp or show any sign of distress the owner presumed that he had just cut himself slightly on a piece of barbed wire but recalled him anyway. To his complete shock he found that the Setter had a long, deep cut on his thigh, right down to the bone, and a deep more circular injury in his belly.
Luckily another hunter was nearby and gave him a hand to get the dog down the hill, in the car and off to the vet, who confirmed that the Setter had been gored by a large wild boar. He was operated on at once but as yet we don't know if he'll really make it, much less if he'll ever be able to work again.
The strange thing, my friend says, is that he heard absolutely no sign of commotion, no cry from his dog, no indication from the second Setter that something unusual was going on.
Not less weird is the fact that the wild boar attacked at all. In spring, the female will charge everything that's unlucky enough to get near her den and litter, yes, but in mid-October even the youngest boars are big enough to run off with mum when they perceive danger nearby. And get away speedily is what wild boars normally do if you don't corner them - or stumble on them while they're fast asleep.
I also wonder if perhaps highly specialised breeds like Pointer and Setters no longer possess the natural instinct that tells them that certain scents (wild boar, wolf, bear) mean DANGER ahead.
Last spring, during a training session, a friend's Pointer looking for birds made straight for a thicket and was promptly chased out of it by a furious mum guarding her piglets. The Pointer got herself a tremedous hole in the inguinal region, and what did she do after her recovery a few weeks later? Of course, rushing off into the nearest thicket occupied by two young boars.
Is there a Darwin Award for dogs??
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sam_from_italy
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Re: What to expect of an English Setter pup?
Beware the boar is coming...
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Re: What to expect of an English Setter pup?
We do have a few wild boar in Britain, they escaped the compounds they were kept in as meat animals for fancy restaurants and they have bred in some areas.
None of my dogs has encountered a "real" wild boar but my first Brittany and first ever pointing dog did find an escaped boar. The landowner had asked me to keep an eye open for a fox that had carried off or eaten one of his new born lambs. I knew that when my Brittany pointed on carnivorous animals such as fox, feral cat, stoat her hackles would rise all the way along her neck and spine.
She went on point into a big clump of reeds and her hackles went up so I loaded the shotgun with B.B.'s and positioned myself at the far end of the reeds from her ready to shoot the fox as it escaped from one of the sides. I commanded the flush but for once she did not flush, she looked at me with a , " Are you sure ?" sort of expression. I repeated the command more forcefully and in she went.
All hell broke loose in there and then running straight at me out of the reeds came the boar and he sure was "wild !" I was bloomin terrified and I nearly pulled both barrels to make him into bacon ! I got out of his way then stopped my snarling fiend of a Brittany from continuing the chase.
I think pointing dogs do know what dangerous wild animals are even if they have never met one before. The bitch had not a single scratch on her from that encounter, maybe she was lucky, I know I was !
Wullie
None of my dogs has encountered a "real" wild boar but my first Brittany and first ever pointing dog did find an escaped boar. The landowner had asked me to keep an eye open for a fox that had carried off or eaten one of his new born lambs. I knew that when my Brittany pointed on carnivorous animals such as fox, feral cat, stoat her hackles would rise all the way along her neck and spine.
She went on point into a big clump of reeds and her hackles went up so I loaded the shotgun with B.B.'s and positioned myself at the far end of the reeds from her ready to shoot the fox as it escaped from one of the sides. I commanded the flush but for once she did not flush, she looked at me with a , " Are you sure ?" sort of expression. I repeated the command more forcefully and in she went.
All hell broke loose in there and then running straight at me out of the reeds came the boar and he sure was "wild !" I was bloomin terrified and I nearly pulled both barrels to make him into bacon ! I got out of his way then stopped my snarling fiend of a Brittany from continuing the chase.
I think pointing dogs do know what dangerous wild animals are even if they have never met one before. The bitch had not a single scratch on her from that encounter, maybe she was lucky, I know I was !
Wullie
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Re: What to expect of an English Setter pup?
Would that Brittany be called Libby? If so that explains it all... 
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Re: What to expect of an English Setter pup?
No Sam, it was my first Brittany called "Vicky" and the wild boar flush happened nearly 30 years ago. If it happened now I would be far too slow moving to get out of the boars way in time. I'd get stomped and maybe chewed up too.
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sam_from_italy
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Re: What to expect of an English Setter pup?
Well, they can be quite cantankerous if they feel like it...trekmoor wrote:No Sam, it was my first Brittany called "Vicky" and the wild boar flush happened nearly 30 years ago. If it happened now I would be far too slow moving to get out of the boars way in time. I'd get stomped and maybe chewed up too.
Wullie
May you be spared further encounters of the wild kind!
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Re: What to expect of an English Setter pup?
This morning our Setter wild child made an interesting experience with quail thanks to her "tutor".
What do you make of it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35YU-HFJcwI
What do you make of it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35YU-HFJcwI