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Judy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 17, 2018 1:01 pm

Dawnrazor wrote: ↑Tue Jul 17, 2018 11:28 am I was removed from "credible cockers" before I had an opportunity to post anything!!!
That has happened to many people who in anyway support Andy Platt, that's a "funny way" to moderate a group!! You had a good run, along with Naj!!!! going around in circles and being "prickly" if, in your opinion, you were not rude, some may disagree!!!

Positive Cockers! I'm afraid some Cocker Groups just want to keep out of it at all costs, its gone on too long and has benefitted nobody. Best to keep a distance.

Did try and get the two of them to see that hiding things begs questions, sows seeds of doubt in people's minds and does the 'cause' no good whatsoever. As for being willing to show us 'evidence' or, at least selected evidence, well, I accepted your offer and look where it got me - deleted! The comments re Jan and I being the same person or people with fake id's was ridiculous although it did give people the opportunity to see the type of people who are running this campaign, hopefully that may do a bit of good. Wonder if all those comments have been deleted, including the downright rude comment addressed to me which I pointed out to Admin.

Look up a definition of "rude" please.

Naj wrote: ↑Tue Jul 17, 2018 1:25 pm I don’t think anybody gets a good run, DR, when they start censoring constructive criticism and suppressing honest debate.

I’m always game for a joke if it’s not malicious but then when Andy turn arounds and accuses someone of being a wind up merchant with nothing constructive to say Even after he’s tagged them in order to drag them into a conversation they had no interest in is both duplicitous and contradictory.

Proper Cocker started with good intentions but now seems to have completely foundered and all we are left with is personal attacks on clubs, individuals and other sites and a load of introspective navel picking by the few still loyal to the cause.

Naj

David wrote: ↑Tue Jul 17, 2018 6:47 pm The group claims there motives aren't personal but it always seems to fall back to it.

David wrote: ↑Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:20 pm I'm still wondering if the Admin ever looked at the result of the trial she attacked me and the club committee about. Mud sticks and they seem very good at throwing it.

Even those who at first supported the group are telling me it's done more harm to Cockers than anything that has come before...

Dawnrazor wrote: ↑Tue Jul 17, 2018 6:50 pm

Judy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 17, 2018 1:01 pm

Dawnrazor wrote: ↑Tue Jul 17, 2018 11:28 am I was removed from "credible cockers" before I had an opportunity to post anything!!!
That has happened to many people who in anyway support Andy Platt, that's a "funny way" to moderate a group!! You had a good run, along with Naj!!!! going around in circles and being "prickly" if, in your opinion, you were not rude, some may disagree!!!

Positive Cockers! I'm afraid some Cocker Groups just want to keep out of it at all costs, its gone on too long and has benefitted nobody. Best to keep a distance.

Did try and get the two of them to see that hiding things begs questions, sows seeds of doubt in people's minds and does the 'cause' no good whatsoever. As for being willing to show us 'evidence' or, at least selected evidence, well, I accepted your offer and look where it got me - deleted! The comments re Jan and I being the same person or people with fake id's was ridiculous although it did give people the opportunity to see the type of people who are running this campaign, hopefully that may do a bit of good. Wonder if all those comments have been deleted, including the downright rude comment addressed to me which I pointed out to Admin.

Look up a definition of "rude" please.

Rude.
"rude
ruːd/Submit
adjective
adjective: rude; comparative adjective: ruder; superlative adjective: rudest
1.
offensively impolite or bad-mannered.
"she had been rude to her boss"
synonyms: ill-mannered, bad-mannered, impolite, discourteous, impertinent, insolent, impudent, cheeky, audacious, presumptuous, uncivil, disrespectful, unmannerly, ill-bred, churlish, crass, curt, brusque, blunt, ungracious, graceless, brash, unpleasant, disagreeable, offhand, short, sharp; More
offensive, insulting, derogatory, disparaging, abusive;
tactless, undiplomatic, uncomplimentary, uncharitable, unchivalrous, ungallant, ungentlemanly, unladylike"
Like it or not Judy you were, along with others, guilty of being "rude" you maybe should've looked it up first.
You certainly did not get blocked for accepting my offer but for being rude, as some saw it, and going round in circular arguments.
I'm not sure "hiding things" is accurate, there are things that have been advised to be kept from public eyes by people who have given evidence towards the case.
I agree that some comments were out of order, you and Jan being the same person, possibly an easy mistake to make if they didn't know you both from other sites but just the the two of you kept going around in circles in such a similar manner!!
I completely disagree with your point of it doing no good for cockers, it's highlighted practices that, when raised in other breeds, has been applauded, people who didn't know what had been going on and who was/is doing it now have a more informed base on which to buy a pup or what stud dog to go to, this has been widely known in trialing circles for years if spoken in hushed tones, I'm sure, when all this has run it's course the cocker spaniel will be the greatest beneficiary.
I accept people do not believe what's been unearthed, I get that, some feel "left out" and don't like not knowing what went on, some feel aggrieved that when paying top dollar from some of the biggest name, they've been sold a cross bred dog, I do feel for them.
Wheather you like how the page is run is up to the individual, people are free not to read it.
I don't think you should've been blocked as I liked the sparring!!! but I'm nothing to do with it.

Dawnrazor wrote: ↑Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:13 pm

David wrote: ↑Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:20 pm I'm still wondering if the Admin ever looked at the result of the trial she attacked me and the club committee about. Mud sticks and they seem very good at throwing it.

Even those who at first supported the group are telling me it's done more harm to Cockers than anything that has come before...

To be fair David, that trial has been notorious for people saying "there's no point going there you'll never win" for years, its not your society that was in question I think(?) there's no doubt about it, there's certain faces you don't see there or who don't apply for a run because of past experiences.

David wrote: ↑Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:49 pm

Dawnrazor wrote: ↑Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:13 pm

David wrote: ↑Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:20 pm I'm still wondering if the Admin ever looked at the result of the trial she attacked me and the club committee about. Mud sticks and they seem very good at throwing it.

Even those who at first supported the group are telling me it's done more harm to Cockers than anything that has come before...

To be fair David, that trial has been notorious for people saying "there's no point going there you'll never win" for years, its not your society that was in question I think(?) there's no doubt about it, there's certain faces you don't see there or who don't apply for a run because of past experiences.

Which trial, the 3T's? If certain people choose not to run that's their choice but the archived results speak for themselves. The accusations are not true.

David wrote: ↑Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:45 pm

Dawnrazor wrote: ↑Tue Jul 17, 2018 6:50 pm

Judy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 17, 2018 1:01 pm

Positive Cockers! I'm afraid some Cocker Groups just want to keep out of it at all costs, its gone on too long and has benefitted nobody. Best to keep a distance.

Did try and get the two of them to see that hiding things begs questions, sows seeds of doubt in people's minds and does the 'cause' no good whatsoever. As for being willing to show us 'evidence' or, at least selected evidence, well, I accepted your offer and look where it got me - deleted! The comments re Jan and I being the same person or people with fake id's was ridiculous although it did give people the opportunity to see the type of people who are running this campaign, hopefully that may do a bit of good. Wonder if all those comments have been deleted, including the downright rude comment addressed to me which I pointed out to Admin.

Look up a definition of "rude" please.

Rude.
"rude
ruːd/Submit
adjective
adjective: rude; comparative adjective: ruder; superlative adjective: rudest
1.
offensively impolite or bad-mannered.
"she had been rude to her boss"
synonyms: ill-mannered, bad-mannered, impolite, discourteous, impertinent, insolent, impudent, cheeky, audacious, presumptuous, uncivil, disrespectful, unmannerly, ill-bred, churlish, crass, curt, brusque, blunt, ungracious, graceless, brash, unpleasant, disagreeable, offhand, short, sharp; More
offensive, insulting, derogatory, disparaging, abusive;
tactless, undiplomatic, uncomplimentary, uncharitable, unchivalrous, ungallant, ungentlemanly, unladylike"
Like it or not Judy you were, along with others, guilty of being "rude" you maybe should've looked it up first.
You certainly did not get blocked for accepting my offer but for being rude, as some saw it, and going round in circular arguments.
I'm not sure "hiding things" is accurate, there are things that have been advised to be kept from public eyes by people who have given evidence towards the case.
I agree that some comments were out of order, you and Jan being the same person, possibly an easy mistake to make if they didn't know you both from other sites but just the the two of you kept going around in circles in such a similar manner!!
I completely disagree with your point of it doing no good for cockers, it's highlighted practices that, when raised in other breeds, has been applauded, people who didn't know what had been going on and who was/is doing it now have a more informed base on which to buy a pup or what stud dog to go to, this has been widely known in trialing circles for years if spoken in hushed tones, I'm sure, when all this has run it's course the cocker spaniel will be the greatest beneficiary.
I accept people do not believe what's been unearthed, I get that, some feel "left out" and don't like not knowing what went on, some feel aggrieved that when paying top dollar from some of the biggest name, they've been sold a cross bred dog, I do feel for them.
Wheather you like how the page is run is up to the individual, people are free not to read it.
I don't think you should've been blocked as I liked the sparring!!! but I'm nothing to do with it.

Double standards... Do you think the admin team were rude to me then?

Dawnrazor wrote: ↑Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:54 pm

David wrote: ↑Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:45 pm

Dawnrazor wrote: ↑Tue Jul 17, 2018 6:50 pm

Rude.
"rude
ruːd/Submit
adjective
adjective: rude; comparative adjective: ruder; superlative adjective: rudest
1.
offensively impolite or bad-mannered.
"she had been rude to her boss"
synonyms: ill-mannered, bad-mannered, impolite, discourteous, impertinent, insolent, impudent, cheeky, audacious, presumptuous, uncivil, disrespectful, unmannerly, ill-bred, churlish, crass, curt, brusque, blunt, ungracious, graceless, brash, unpleasant, disagreeable, offhand, short, sharp; More
offensive, insulting, derogatory, disparaging, abusive;
tactless, undiplomatic, uncomplimentary, uncharitable, unchivalrous, ungallant, ungentlemanly, unladylike"
Like it or not Judy you were, along with others, guilty of being "rude" you maybe should've looked it up first.
You certainly did not get blocked for accepting my offer but for being rude, as some saw it, and going round in circular arguments.
I'm not sure "hiding things" is accurate, there are things that have been advised to be kept from public eyes by people who have given evidence towards the case.
I agree that some comments were out of order, you and Jan being the same person, possibly an easy mistake to make if they didn't know you both from other sites but just the the two of you kept going around in circles in such a similar manner!!
I completely disagree with your point of it doing no good for cockers, it's highlighted practices that, when raised in other breeds, has been applauded, people who didn't know what had been going on and who was/is doing it now have a more informed base on which to buy a pup or what stud dog to go to, this has been widely known in trialing circles for years if spoken in hushed tones, I'm sure, when all this has run it's course the cocker spaniel will be the greatest beneficiary.
I accept people do not believe what's been unearthed, I get that, some feel "left out" and don't like not knowing what went on, some feel aggrieved that when paying top dollar from some of the biggest name, they've been sold a cross bred dog, I do feel for them.
Wheather you like how the page is run is up to the individual, people are free not to read it.
I don't think you should've been blocked as I liked the sparring!!! but I'm nothing to do with it.

Double standards... Do you think the admin team were rude to me then?

I think they were, yes, but double standards are rife in the trialing world and like in general I'm afraid!