The dog or the bitch ?

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Re: The dog or the bitch ?

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DesO'Neile wrote:
Most dog owners/handlers for some reason prefer bitches to dogs.
What research is this observation based on?
It would guess it is based on the ratio of bitches to dogs in the ESS Champs in recent years, although from memory there is not such are marked difference in the cocker field.

No idea about labs, HPRs or P&Ss. It would be an interesting poll to do - carry on Des! :-D
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Re: The dog or the bitch ?

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imo more people prefer bitches for this reason - im talking about trialling bred pups - they buy a ftch x ftch bred bitch pup - if it aint good enough for trials they breed it and sell the pups to try to cover the cost of the bitch pup when they bought it, that is how i see it anyway..
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Surely when it comes to the importance of the bitch and sire its 50/50? My limited knowledge of genetics would say that finding two complimentary individuals from proven lines is the best bet for good pups but then its down to luck. I cant see how the bitch can have a greater influence on the offspring apart from characteristics that are sex-linked in which case the X and Y chromosomes have different possible combinations. I have no practical breeding knowlsge, only theory so scuse my ignorance if I have this totally wrong!
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Joanne wrote:S I cant see how the bitch can have a greater influence on the offspring apart from characteristics that are sex-linked in which case the X and Y chromosomes have different possible combinations.
About the genetics i just got limited experience but surely the bitch affect the pups a bit by raising them too? What if the bitch is too weak to tell the pups off properly when it's time to wean them and foster them and the breeder remove her from the litter early to spare her? How will the pups then learn to take corrections in a good way? Seen such pups (brrr) and yes you can bring in other dogs to do that job of course. I still think the bitch and the upbringing got a saying too, not just genetics even if that's most important.

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Hepe wrote:
Joanne wrote:S I cant see how the bitch can have a greater influence on the offspring apart from characteristics that are sex-linked in which case the X and Y chromosomes have different possible combinations.
About the genetics i just got limited experience but surely the bitch affect the pups a bit by raising them too? What if the bitch is too weak to tell the pups off properly when it's time to wean them and foster them and the breeder remove her from the litter early to spare her? How will the pups then learn to take corrections in a good way? Seen such pups (brrr) and yes you can bring in other dogs to do that job of course. I still think the bitch and the upbringing got a saying too, not just genetics even if that's most important.

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Absolutely but in terms of genetics its 50/50. Upbringing is just as crucial and I have no doubts that a good mother will give pups the best start. I'm a firm believer that the first 16 weeks is the most important time in a dogs life.
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Joanne wrote:
Absolutely but in terms of genetics its 50/50. Upbringing is just as crucial and I have no doubts that a good mother will give pups the best start. I'm a firm believer that the first 16 weeks is the most important time in a dogs life.
Ah yes, so we agree there. But is it truly 50/50 in reality? Isn't that devilish statistics? I had an accident litter many years ago out of my field bred Labrador and my show bred springer. Labrador keen, quiet and biddable, springer keen, noisy and not overly biddable. Pups came and as a total out cross i could rather soonish see what parent each pup got it's stamp from. Some of the pups were noisy, never slept, chased the cats, the chickens etc etc, others were a copy of their sire, easy as a pie, fed, slept and in between watched you admiringly, retrieving stuff to hand at 5 weeks of age. Then there were those being a mix of both, having moms lively temperament but dads keen softness. It was not 50/50 or evenly spread. On paper it's 50/50 in reality not so.

Addition, i want proven parents on both sides when buying a pup. I also want the breeder to explain to me why just *that* pup should go to me.

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ps: All but one went to hunting homes and the last ones of them passed away a few years ago 14 years of age.
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True, never 50/50 in reality but over the thousands upon thousands of litters born it will average 50/50 overall.
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