Cass wrote:Good to see you here gundogguy Surely you can explain place training better than myself
I'm sure that will not happen. The standards of the sporting breeds are completely different here than over on the west side of the Atlantic.
Travels and training in UK, taught me that we all enjoy the same dogs dearly, however our expectations of the work and how the dog and handler go about it are amazingly different.
If place board training becomes excepted by the UK and the International community it will be because they searched it out and modified it to fit their needs in the development of the dogs for their sport. Not because we, Yanks, sold them the concept, as the next best thing since sliced bread.
Cheers!
Gundogguy wrote:
If place board training becomes excepted by the UK and the International community it will be because they searched it out and modified it to fit their needs in the development of the dogs for their sport.
Cheers!
As mentioned earlier in this post Opie now uses Place Board training with his spaniels. I think ,from what I have heard, that he has already modified it to suit his purposes. Doing that may not be possible for everyone, Opie has access to an awful lot of rabbit shooting and that combined with the earlier Place Board training means he has dogs that will both sit/stay and hunt like demons. I don't know much about place boards but I would worry that without the easy and regular access to rabbits to counteract this type of training ,the dog might become a bit "deadened" and would look lacklustre ?
Wullie
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Gundogguy wrote:
If place board training becomes excepted by the UK and the International community it will be because they searched it out and modified it to fit their needs in the development of the dogs for their sport.
Cheers!
As mentioned earlier in this post Opie now uses Place Board training with his spaniels. I think ,from what I have heard, that he has already modified it to suit his purposes. Doing that may not be possible for everyone, Opie has access to an awful lot of rabbit shooting and that combined with the earlier Place Board training means he has dogs that will both sit/stay and hunt like demons. I don't know much about place boards but I would worry that without the easy and regular access to rabbits to counteract this type of training ,the dog might become a bit "deadened" and would look lacklustre ?
Wullie
That is correct. It takes game to keep their head and tail up. I use many pigeons and pen reared game birds every year.
I went to see Mr Openshaw recently and saw the Place boards for the first time. He showed me a couple of his dogs being trained with them (at different stages) and listening to his explanation for using them was very interesting. He was very honest in his assessment of my dog and so will try this type of training to help develop her.
In our part of the states we use place boards as part of the puppy training process (Cockers) and tend to get them going on them as early as we can (8-9 weeks of age).
Can't see why it would make a dog lacklustre if used within a well thought out training programme. If you watch the Paul McGagh videos on the other thread his cockers are full of fire. It is surely only a means to an end & sooner or later the dog is introduced to game, just as it would if you were training it conventionally. Wouldn't it, or am I missing something.
Naj wrote:Can't see why it would make a dog lacklustre if used within a well thought out training programme. If you watch the Paul McGagh videos on the other thread his cockers are full of fire. It is surely only a means to an end & sooner or later the dog is introduced to game, just as it would if you were training it conventionally. Wouldn't it, or am I missing something.
Naj
Exactly it a means to an end! Here(recall) Hup(sit) Delivery(of dummy bag or bird) With these basics well founded bird work now has a system to grow. the "place" is also a grand place to revisit if any confusions or loss of confidence ensue during the dogs development. Normally when dogs are introduced to game dummy bags and bumpers become a whole lot less interesting to have to deal with as far as the dog is concerned. The "place" is a fine area to deal with any avoidances that may arise.
I always want my dogs to be underwhelmed by the work I ask them to do and the "place " just seems to give them that confidence in a well thought out training program.
and we see the place is also a fun spot Zeta toasting her sire big win she was 5 months old at this time
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Gundogguy is right, it is an excellent way to fine tune things that are normally problems for some folks which is why I posted it on here. The majority of threads are problems with the delivery portion of a retrieve... by teaching place early on, the dog knows that the board is a good place to be. They don't think about circling or bogging off, or about you waiting for the dummy... all they think about is, Okay, I gotta get back to my place. Delivery problem solved
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Surely you can explain place training better than myself
