Dropping bird

[newf]

Ips, wouldn't listen anyway. Haven't you picked up already that Ian, goes by feel. Anyway, he just loves to get a racket going, no matter what the topic.

Like to help Ips, but unfortunately I forced fetched all my dogs.

[ips]

Ips, wouldn't listen anyway. Haven't you picked up already that Ian, goes by feel. Anyway, he just loves to get a racket going, no matter what the topic.

Like to help Ips, but unfortunately I forced fetched all my dogs.

Lol

[ips]

Monday i had the opportunity for reasons i wont bore you with to watch the picker ups in action. Many shananigans were witnessed such as similar dropping issue as i have had (well the dog not me ) and also saw a dog retrieve a bird as two more dropped within ten yards of it, it dropped the first picked the second dropped that picked the third dropped that and retrieved the first to hand.....made me feel much better
Oh and a couple of run ins just to add to feeling of "were not that bad after all it would seem"

[Judy]

So, Naj, are you saying that all acquired behaviours are trained in rather than the dog deciding to do its own thing, use its brain for its own ends?

Well, so far, Ips has had one piece of advice as to how to cure it, from Chrokeva (sp?!) and my sympathies in 9 pages, apart from being told its his fault.
By heck you lot are so helpful it hurts!
If its any consolation, Ips, I use the same method as Chrokeva. A quick "oi! What d'ya think y'doin" seemed to work on those occasions when I wasn't having a quiet snigger at the old girl's inventiveness, sorry, learned behaviour.

Yes, everybody has good and bad days out picking up and we've all got tales to tell about how much worse some of the others are! Its learned behaviour of course, they've learned they have no idea re how to fix issues!

[ips]

So, Naj, are you saying that all acquired behaviours are trained in rather than the dog deciding to do its own thing, use its brain for its own ends?

Well, so far, Ips has had one piece of advice as to how to cure it, from Chrokeva (sp?!) and my sympathies in 9 pages, apart from being told its his fault.
By heck you lot are so helpful it hurts!
If its any consolation, Ips, I use the same method as Chrokeva. A quick "oi! What d'ya think y'doin" seemed to work on those occasions when I wasn't having a quiet snigger at the old girl's inventiveness, sorry, learned behaviour.

Yes, everybody has good and bad days out picking up and we've all got tales to tell about how much worse some of the others are! Its learned behaviour of course, they've learned they have no idea re how to fix issues!

Judy.
So far since the origiñal post i have had maybe 6 or 8 retrieves and with the exception of 1 maybe 2 the drop / maul about hasnt occured but i have whistled her in during the return which presumably distracts her from this behaviour for now. I still have no explanation as to why this behaviour cropped up and i am sure that i haven't pressured her in any way, also not aware of having trained it into her anyway we seem to have found a fix for it for now

[newf]

IPS, you can train in something by being a little tolerate of a dog doing something occasionally outside of the desired behavior. A dog trained to heel close, will, unchecked gradually move further and further away from position because of enticements. Similarly, a dog can and will change the delivery pattern if it desires to do something more rewarding. So, it ain’t complicated, it’s a dog with a free will to make different choices.

[ips]

IPS, you can train in something by being a little tolerate of a dog doing something occasionally outside of the desired behavior. A dog trained to heel close, will, unchecked gradually move further and further away from position because of enticements. Similarly, a dog can and will change the delivery pattern if it desires to do something more rewarding. So, it ain’t complicated, it’s a dog with a free will to make different choices.

Yep, i agree. Sloppy handling in effect

[westcountry]

Ips, wouldn't listen anyway. Haven't you picked up already that Ian, goes by feel. Anyway, he just loves to get a racket going, no matter what the topic.

Like to help Ips, but unfortunately I forced fetched all my dogs.

Who is Ian?

[ips]

Ips, wouldn't listen anyway. Haven't you picked up already that Ian, goes by feel. Anyway, he just loves to get a racket going, no matter what the topic.

Like to help Ips, but unfortunately I forced fetched all my dogs.

Who is Ian?

[newf]

IPS, you can train in something by being a little tolerate of a dog doing something occasionally outside of the desired behavior. A dog trained to heel close, will, unchecked gradually move further and further away from position because of enticements. Similarly, a dog can and will change the delivery pattern if it desires to do something more rewarding. So, it ain’t complicated, it’s a dog with a free will to make different choices.

Yep, i agree. Sloppy handling in effect

You have lots of company. It's a full time job of hard work. That's why Naj is a minimalist when it comes to a dog's repertoire of behaviors.