Re: Need help, newcomer with a hard headed springer
Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 12:20 pm
That would appear to be your forte. 
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Re: Need help, newcomer with a hard headed springer
Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 12:58 pm
Touche'
Re: Need help, newcomer with a hard headed springer
Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 1:10 pm
Cryptic posts like this are clearly no help to Brett at the moment because he's a bit lost I think...When you say "train it" Cynic, how would you go about doing that with this dog now?Cynic wrote: Or train it?
Rascal
Re: Need help, newcomer with a hard headed springer
Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 2:13 pm
Having spent a while reading this entire thread, and not wanting to say something wrong, it seems the gentlemen has now got himself underway on the right road. We have all I am sure made training mistakes with our first dogs, let's not forget that.
We use what ever or do what ever is needed to get us there and whilst this pronged collar may be by some regarded as not needed it is clearly working for this individual at this time, and as noted he knows it won't always be needed. I think throughout this thread he has explained himself more than enough times and remained level headed (unlike me on occasions) not bitten and I commend him for this. I wish him all the best in 2015 and the final few pages seems awash with circling comments as noted starting back from page two......
We use what ever or do what ever is needed to get us there and whilst this pronged collar may be by some regarded as not needed it is clearly working for this individual at this time, and as noted he knows it won't always be needed. I think throughout this thread he has explained himself more than enough times and remained level headed (unlike me on occasions) not bitten and I commend him for this. I wish him all the best in 2015 and the final few pages seems awash with circling comments as noted starting back from page two......
Re: Need help, newcomer with a hard headed springer
Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 4:48 pm
Couldn't be more plain.Rascal wrote:Cryptic posts like this are clearly no help to Brett at the moment because he's a bit lost I think...When you say "train it" Cynic, how would you go about doing that with this dog now?Cynic wrote: Or train it?
Rascal
I wouldn't say he was lost .I would say he is at the start of a journey that should have been taken a while back.As for how I would go about doing that with this dog,I leave that stuff to all the experts like yourself.
Re: Need help, newcomer with a hard headed springer
Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 4:52 pm
Without sounding vague... the most important thing to do in training a dog, is learning how to train a dog. The OP has successfully navigated one of the early hurdles.
Re: Need help, newcomer with a hard headed springer
Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 10:11 pm
No expurt and again as I said, simply saying "train it" is no answer really is it....Cynic wrote: Couldn't be more plain.
You could ......
I wouldn't say he was lost .I would say he is at the start of a journey that should have been taken a while back.As for how I would go about doing that with this dog,I leave that stuff to all the experts like yourself.
Rascal
Re: Need help, newcomer with a hard headed springer
Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2014 9:09 am
... seems to be the only answer Cynic has got.
Re: Need help, newcomer with a hard headed springer
Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2014 12:25 pm
I'm inclined to agree.
Wullie
Wullie
Re: Need help, newcomer with a hard headed springer
Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2015 2:00 pm
An enjoyable thread with excellent advice. I've never trained a spaniel before but I would think that discipline is discipline no matter what the dog.
I would just like to add to what others have said in order for there to be at least a repeatable solution that enlightens the OP instead of mesmerizing which I believe can happen when too many varied prescriptions are recommended.
To me, the overriding consensus is to work general obedience up close with little distraction and move out from there with gradually increasing distraction in which the OP can control the dog. One thing at a time though: obedience next to the OP with the range of distractions before allowing increased distance from the handler since distance is another variable more difficult for the OP then the dog. However, the use of high distractions up close and personal from what I know will have a positive effect on discipline as the exercise is given gradually more freedom.
As Butch Goldwin, an american hunting dog trainer religiously preached: 'control of a dog is founded within six feet of the trainer'. Not verbatim, I'm sorry, but one can get still appreciate the emphasis in the slaughtered quote.
I would just like to add to what others have said in order for there to be at least a repeatable solution that enlightens the OP instead of mesmerizing which I believe can happen when too many varied prescriptions are recommended.
To me, the overriding consensus is to work general obedience up close with little distraction and move out from there with gradually increasing distraction in which the OP can control the dog. One thing at a time though: obedience next to the OP with the range of distractions before allowing increased distance from the handler since distance is another variable more difficult for the OP then the dog. However, the use of high distractions up close and personal from what I know will have a positive effect on discipline as the exercise is given gradually more freedom.
As Butch Goldwin, an american hunting dog trainer religiously preached: 'control of a dog is founded within six feet of the trainer'. Not verbatim, I'm sorry, but one can get still appreciate the emphasis in the slaughtered quote.