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not good at searching so .........
what are peoples feelings on the use off them ?
my wifes cousins husband is using one on a puppy..... not a working dog..
I myself would never use them as I think they are cruel that a dog needs them , not at least a puppy
I wont say what the puppy is ........YET ! ...
in my eyes it is being a puppy........ even so I would not use one.....if I am not good enough to train the dog ..its not the dogs fault ?

I don't think it is something I would use on a pup. Someone capable, should be able to get a reasonably trained young dog from a big dose of play and a little bit of firmness. If this person has no experience with dogs, I would say it would be better to spend the collar money on a good training book and a visit to a reputable trainer.

Depends on a number of factors. None of which are expressed in the original post.
-Is the gentleman an experienced trainer.
-How old is the pup.
-How is he utilising the collar.
-What specifically is he trying to train for (with the collar)

I always thought e-collars could be quite useful especially for trainers as all you'd need to do would to stick them on the owners so you could give them a gentle reminder if they weren't paying any attention or their dog misbehaved. Would also be useful in chasing situations as they could get a zap there as well if they can't be asked to put their dogs on the lead

Natasha

Interesting reading on this thread viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2133

Would I use them on a pup absolutely not, why would you?

Rascal

I'm with SP, need more specifics on this individual case.
I have one, never used it except on myself ( contender has a point ) still in its box. I bought it because there was a lot of talk on banning them by the ill informed crowd. I would rather have it and not need it than need it and not be able to get my hands on one. ( without putting a dirty mac on and delving into the window less internet shops of our cousins across the pond, and having it sent in plain covered packaging )
They are not a `cruel' instrument in themselves, however improper use in an improper way on an inappropriate animal due to the ignorance of the trainer would render them ( the trainer ) to be acting in a cruel manner towards the dog.
I am more comfortable training pups in particular with tried and tested methods of building an understanding whilst being understanding, so see no need to use the EC on a dog still considered to be a pup myself.

Rascal wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2017 8:33 am Interesting reading on this thread viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2133

Would I use them on a pup absolutely not, why would you?

Rascal

A$$ I spent some time searching for that last night!
Its quite simple, if you aren't good enough to train a pup without you aren't good enough to train one with.

Judy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2017 10:25 am Its quite simple, if you aren't good enough to train a pup without you aren't good enough to train one with.

That's me

newf wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2017 2:37 am Someone capable, should be able to get a reasonably trained young dog from a big dose of play and a little bit of firmness.

This is about the best advice you can get regarding puppies

I'd use one on a determined sheep chaser but not on a puppy.

Wullie