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Re: Retrieve problems from Newcastle under lyme
Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2020 11:48 am
by westcountry
Welcome and best of luck with the springer. I have 3 currently going through the teenage phase at 9 months old.
What age is your dog and how is it bred? Also why is she doing your head in? Springers are high voltage but once you harness the enthusiasm they are the ultimate all round gundog.
Re: Hello from Newcastle under lyme
Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:02 pm
by ESS69
Buccleuch and rytex mainly.
Given the current situation she is just bored. And I'm having trouble with her paying attention and listening to me.
And with her delivery - no problems coming back and holding, she's just running round me and eventually comes between my leg. I need to get her to a trainer but given the current circumstances is extremely difficult.
Re: Hello from Newcastle under lyme
Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:06 pm
by ESS69
I think the key is going to be to go back to complete basics, and just get them hammered home as such.
Going to start with some treats and then her dummies. Leave all the retrieving stuff for a while as she's extremely keen so I've no issues there and just throw the occasional one to keep that enuthasmam there.
Re: Hello from Newcastle under lyme
Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:57 pm
by Judy
ESS69 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:06 pm
I think the key is going to be to go back to complete basics, and just get them hammered home as such.
Going to start with some treats and then her dummies. Leave all the retrieving stuff for a while as she's extremely keen so I've no issues there and just throw the occasional one to keep that enuthasmam there.
Sound like the right approach.
Re: Hello from Newcastle under lyme
Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:52 pm
by munstyman
To stop the running around you could try standing against any sort of barrier so to establish your terms of delivery. And welcome to the forum.
Re: Hello from Newcastle under lyme
Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:22 pm
by westcountry
Yes you could strap a 12 foot gate to your back and then throw the dummy. That should solve it.
Whats the recall like? If she mucks around and wont come into you without a dummy then she wont come straight in with one. Not being clever but I have had all the issues you describe and it took a professional labrador trainer to get it into my thick head that delivery issues are most often recall issues.
Re: Hello from Newcastle under lyme
Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:55 pm
by Judy
westcountry wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:22 pm
Yes you could strap a 12 foot gate to your back and then throw the dummy. That should solve it.
With all due respects, Munsty is very old and has eleventybillion more years experience than you so maybe that remark was a tad uncalled for. Standing with your back to something or using a retrieve alley / narrow path works, its a tried and tested method as is place board training and several other methods from calling the dog in and holding out your hand with food in to get the dog used to shoving its nose in your hand and later the dummy ends up in the same place, to formalising your recall to get the dog to come to where you want.
Half the issues both with recall and with dummy delivery are caused by us relaxing once the dog has been taught recall to our front as a pup, we then go out for exercise and call the dog while walking along. Dog comes back as requested, we carry on walking so next time dog comes back but does a fly by. Recall starts to unwind.
Re: Hello from Newcastle under lyme
Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2020 7:00 pm
by ESS69
Proving very difficult, I've found tonight standing in a corner is working but it's not going to be a quick fix, I think it's going to take a while to sort this, and it is extremely frustrating.
Re: Hello from Newcastle under lyme
Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2020 7:35 pm
by westcountry
ESS69 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 7:00 pm
Proving very difficult, I've found tonight standing in a corner is working but it's not going to be a quick fix, I think it's going to take a while to sort this, and it is extremely frustrating.
I found that not making a big deal of things worked wonders. I had two of the most frustrating dogs in the world where delivery is concerned, I was so frustrated with them. Then something in my manner changed and the dogs responded . I think I just relaxed and that took the pressure off. Both dogs now have text book deliveries. One has numerous trial awards. You can over do things with them and demanding perfection often has an adverse affect.
Re: Hello from Newcastle under lyme
Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2020 7:40 pm
by westcountry
Judy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:55 pm
westcountry wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:22 pm
Yes you could strap a 12 foot gate to your back and then throw the dummy. That should solve it.
With all due respects, Munsty is very old and has eleventybillion more years experience than you so maybe that remark was a tad uncalled for. Standing with your back to something or using a retrieve alley / narrow path works, its a tried and tested method as is place board training and several other methods from calling the dog in and holding out your hand with food in to get the dog used to shoving its nose in your hand and later the dummy ends up in the same place, to formalising your recall to get the dog to come to where you want.
Half the issues both with recall and with dummy delivery are caused by us relaxing once the dog has been taught recall to our front as a pup, we then go out for exercise and call the dog while walking along. Dog comes back as requested, we carry on walking so next time dog comes back but does a fly by. Recall starts to unwind.
Was not meant as a criticism of Munsty (although you calling him very old may be a bit unkind). I simply wanted to point out that the gate/wall thing will get a result but it is not solving the issue. Regards your comments on recall Judy ,I couldnt agree more. We all get too lax on the issue but hopefully by then we have delivery sorted and apart from in a trial its no big deal.