FTCH parents? Does that really matter?

[baguio]

FTCH dam everytime, not so bothered about the sire as i beleive the quality comes from the bitchline. If there are FTCH's all along the bottom line all the better.

As has been said on here before I'm sure, how can this statement be judged for a comparison? I personally don't believe it. (The genetics are 50/50 after all). It is not very easy at all to get a pup from a FTCH bitch where the sire is a nothing. The other way round is common. Therefore IMO it’s a statement with no substance what so ever.

[BIKRS]

FTCH dam everytime, not so bothered about the sire as i beleive the quality comes from the bitchline. If there are FTCH's all along the bottom line all the better.

As has been said on here before I'm sure, how can this statement be judged for a comparison? I personally don't believe it. (The genetics are 50/50 after all). It is not very easy at all to get a pup from a FTCH bitch where the sire is a nothing. The other way round is common. Therefore IMO it’s a statement with no substance what so ever.

That is because it is easy to use a FTCH dog on a bitch, but not so easy to find pups out of champion bitches because they are sought after and champion bitches are in the minority compared to average shooting stock.

[baguio]

BIKRS, Thats basically what I wrote too. Obviously pups out of champion bitches are sought after because they will be FTCH to FTCH nearly every time as I said. Therefore how do you come up with the theory that the bitch is more important than the dog? I fail to see how anyone could work it out unless a lot of people with ftch bitches put them to average dogs and then they ran on the pups to see how they good they were? Who is going to do that? No one!

[Amberquest]

FTCH dam everytime, not so bothered about the sire as i beleive the quality comes from the bitchline. If there are FTCH's all along the bottom line all the better.

As has been said on here before I'm sure, how can this statement be judged for a comparison? I personally don't believe it. (The genetics are 50/50 after all). It is not very easy at all to get a pup from a FTCH bitch where the sire is a nothing. The other way round is common. Therefore IMO it’s a statement with no substance what so ever.

Statistically the genetics are 50:50, but vary rarely is that the case.

[Sgurr]

For each pair of genes for the pup, one comes from the sire and one from that the dam - that is 50/50 always.

I personally would feel that the dam influence is stronger as she is with the pups and through play teaches them their basic hunting skills - but that is not the genetics of the mating. The sire is rarely around to take up such duties.

Sgurr

[Amberquest]

For each pair of genes for the pup, one comes from the sire and one from that the dam - that is 50/50 always.

I personally would feel that the dam influence is stronger as she is with the pups and through play teaches them their basic hunting skills - but that is not the genetics of the mating. The sire is rarely around to take up such duties.

Sgurr

Agreed, although how those genes present themselves, hair colour etc, is statistical

[Sgurr]

Yes, to take your point re coat colours, the genotype and the phenotype can differ and you can work that out statistically. Also, you can have the situation where the expression of the gene pair or a gene locus depends on environmental factors.

Sgurr

[Amberquest]

Yes, to take your point re coat colours, the genotype and the phenotype can differ and you can work that out statistically. Also, you can have the situation where the expression of the gene pair or a gene locus depends on environmental factors.

Sgurr

[BIKRS]

BAGUIO, FTCH Larford Elma was put to two non champions and produced FTCH Argyl Warrior and FTCH Argyl Chiefton. If you look around Champion bitches are often put to non champions by good dog men who can see potential in a dog or a dog that has not reached his potential.

How many times do you see a TOP line of a pedigree full of FTCH's ie dogs producing champion sires generation after generation. I think it was Erlandson who said the problem with modern breeding was average bitches put to popular FTCH sires.

[Polmaise]

Obviously pups out of champion bitches are sought after because they will be FTCH to FTCH nearly every time

Because ,the Owner of that bitch holds all the cards! I agree.
No one (in thier right mind) is going to line it with anything less.
The downside ,could be that 'FTCH' Sires , chosen solely because of the title,or the title holder, rather than the trait', of the dog,can in some cases create a demand,for the masses?