Chewing nails and pads causing real damage
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vicky payne
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Re: Chewing nails and pads causing real damage
Wow, that is bad, bad news. Thinking of you.
out of interest how is the dog bred?
Re: Chewing nails and pads causing real damage
Ohhhh Pat that is definitely not the news you wanted to hear.
Thinking of you too.....
I seem to remember a forum member posting, I think it was a couple of years ago now about a friends cocker with a similar problem....
I'll have a dig around to see if I can find it, don't hold your breath though because of the way folks entitle posts it doesn't make it easy...
Take care.
Rascal
Thinking of you too.....
I seem to remember a forum member posting, I think it was a couple of years ago now about a friends cocker with a similar problem....
I'll have a dig around to see if I can find it, don't hold your breath though because of the way folks entitle posts it doesn't make it easy...
Take care.
Rascal
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Re: Chewing nails and pads causing real damage
Thank you for your comments and good wishes folks, I really appreciate it.
tjack - Jem's breeding:
dam: Verstone Talwyn (Tiegan)
sire: Larford Lydd of Mullenscote (Monty)
I think Larford Lydd came 4th in something recently and I see he is offered as a stud on the website. I was quite surprised to see this as the Dental Vet recommended strongly to the Kennel Club that neither the dam or the sire should be bred from again because they BOTH carry the recessive gene for bilingually displaced canines. It's on another thread but Jem had to have her baby lower canines removed at 11 weeks because of this.The Dental Vet sent all photos and xrays of Jem's mouth to the Kennel Club and they in turn emailed me to say they would be sending them to the breeder. (I had already sent them to the breeder myself). I assumed they would also send them to the sire's owner and as a result, neither the dam or sire would be bred from again. The neurologist was not clear yesterday if the nerve condition Jem also has is inherited but she suggested it might be. I am waiting for her written report. All in all, I would have thought that to reduce the chances of these genes being perpetuated in the working cocker gene pool, Jem's littermates would not be bred from and her dam and sire should not be bred from again. But if her sire is being offered as a stud, then clearly breeding has taken place again or will be. I'm not sure where the KC stands in all this. I would have thought that in the interest of dog welfare and maintaining the integrity and wellbeing of the working cocker breed, they would be proactive in preventing the breeding of dogs who are known carriers of genes that can cause such pain and anguish.....but I don't know how the KC works. Doesn't the KC and do breeders not listen to and act on the recommendations of specialists vets like the Dental Vet?
Sorry about the rant..... I can't do anything about Jem's condition and I'm not thinking straight yet about what the future holds, but perhaps by telling the Forum members all of this I am doing what I can to try to reduce the incidence of these genes in working cockers.
Pat
tjack - Jem's breeding:
dam: Verstone Talwyn (Tiegan)
sire: Larford Lydd of Mullenscote (Monty)
I think Larford Lydd came 4th in something recently and I see he is offered as a stud on the website. I was quite surprised to see this as the Dental Vet recommended strongly to the Kennel Club that neither the dam or the sire should be bred from again because they BOTH carry the recessive gene for bilingually displaced canines. It's on another thread but Jem had to have her baby lower canines removed at 11 weeks because of this.The Dental Vet sent all photos and xrays of Jem's mouth to the Kennel Club and they in turn emailed me to say they would be sending them to the breeder. (I had already sent them to the breeder myself). I assumed they would also send them to the sire's owner and as a result, neither the dam or sire would be bred from again. The neurologist was not clear yesterday if the nerve condition Jem also has is inherited but she suggested it might be. I am waiting for her written report. All in all, I would have thought that to reduce the chances of these genes being perpetuated in the working cocker gene pool, Jem's littermates would not be bred from and her dam and sire should not be bred from again. But if her sire is being offered as a stud, then clearly breeding has taken place again or will be. I'm not sure where the KC stands in all this. I would have thought that in the interest of dog welfare and maintaining the integrity and wellbeing of the working cocker breed, they would be proactive in preventing the breeding of dogs who are known carriers of genes that can cause such pain and anguish.....but I don't know how the KC works. Doesn't the KC and do breeders not listen to and act on the recommendations of specialists vets like the Dental Vet?
Sorry about the rant..... I can't do anything about Jem's condition and I'm not thinking straight yet about what the future holds, but perhaps by telling the Forum members all of this I am doing what I can to try to reduce the incidence of these genes in working cockers.
Pat
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crofty
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Re: Chewing nails and pads causing real damage
Pat that's terrible news, knowing how much time and effort you have put in with Gem just adds to the heartache and frustration 
feeling for you.
Alastair
feeling for you.Alastair
Re: Chewing nails and pads causing real damage
Thanks Alastair, all my hopes for Jem and I working together have been dashed - that is if I'd managed to get the retrieving right! And what do I do now.....condemn her to a sedentary life with walks only on the lead so she doesn't get injured when she's a typical otherwise normal 8 months old spaniel puppy who wants to do everything at 100 miles an hour. I'm completely gutted and feeling lost.
Pat
Pat
Re: Chewing nails and pads causing real damage
Hi all, update on Jem's condition.
I now have the report from the Glasgow Vet School and it makes depressing reading. It's Sensory Neuropathy and Jem is now on Gabapentin (300mg, 3 times daily) in addition to her current antibiotics as one of her pads is infected again The condition is inherited and progressive and caused by a recessive gene....so she got one gene from her sire and one from her dam. The report states that the dam and sire should not be bred from again and Jem's littermates should not be bred from either. The sire and dam may not have this condition but they do carry the gene that causes it. The condition has been described in German Short-Haired Pointers, English Pointers, Border Collies, Springer spaniels,long-haired dachsunds, Jack Russells, Golden Retriever, French spaniels and whippets....but not in working cockers before hence the Glasgow Vet School interest in Jem's case. They have some of her blood for their genetic research.
The future for Jem is uncertain. She is severely restricted now regarding exercise and her paws require a huge amount of care and management and constant vigilance on my part to make sure she doesn't start licking chewing other paws/legs. Our life and the moment revolves around cleaning and bandaging her paws and putting on her collar to prevent access to her feet. Her affected paws are cleaned bandaged 3/4 times daily and covered 24/7. I am emotionally drained and I feel so sorry for Jem - she is in every other way a normal 9 month old cocker and needs more stimulation and exercise than she is allowed. I couldn't commit this amount of time and effort to her if I was employed - just not possible.
Please contact k.faller.1@research.gla.ac.uk if you know of any working cockers showing similar signs of this condition. She wants to do her best to help remove this gene from the working cocker gene pool - her research I hope will help do this. This may also be of interest...
http://www.vetbook.org/wiki/dog/index.p ... n_syndrome
Thanks again for all your previous suggestions, advice and supportive comments.
Pat
I now have the report from the Glasgow Vet School and it makes depressing reading. It's Sensory Neuropathy and Jem is now on Gabapentin (300mg, 3 times daily) in addition to her current antibiotics as one of her pads is infected again The condition is inherited and progressive and caused by a recessive gene....so she got one gene from her sire and one from her dam. The report states that the dam and sire should not be bred from again and Jem's littermates should not be bred from either. The sire and dam may not have this condition but they do carry the gene that causes it. The condition has been described in German Short-Haired Pointers, English Pointers, Border Collies, Springer spaniels,long-haired dachsunds, Jack Russells, Golden Retriever, French spaniels and whippets....but not in working cockers before hence the Glasgow Vet School interest in Jem's case. They have some of her blood for their genetic research.
The future for Jem is uncertain. She is severely restricted now regarding exercise and her paws require a huge amount of care and management and constant vigilance on my part to make sure she doesn't start licking chewing other paws/legs. Our life and the moment revolves around cleaning and bandaging her paws and putting on her collar to prevent access to her feet. Her affected paws are cleaned bandaged 3/4 times daily and covered 24/7. I am emotionally drained and I feel so sorry for Jem - she is in every other way a normal 9 month old cocker and needs more stimulation and exercise than she is allowed. I couldn't commit this amount of time and effort to her if I was employed - just not possible.
Please contact k.faller.1@research.gla.ac.uk if you know of any working cockers showing similar signs of this condition. She wants to do her best to help remove this gene from the working cocker gene pool - her research I hope will help do this. This may also be of interest...
http://www.vetbook.org/wiki/dog/index.p ... n_syndrome
Thanks again for all your previous suggestions, advice and supportive comments.
Pat
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Re: Chewing nails and pads causing real damage
Just caught up with this thread, I am so gutted for you Pat, what a devastating thing to happen. Poor wee pup.
cheers,
Alice.
A spaniel is a vehicle for a nose
Alice.
A spaniel is a vehicle for a nose
Re: Chewing nails and pads causing real damage
Just caught up with this thread I am absolutely guted for you and for Jem ......
Can only imagine what you going through after such devastating news.......
It is good that you have posted on here so at least the information about ths issue is getting out there, unfortunately I dont think th KC is particularly proactive
I just hope that Jems breeders ( Bitch AND STUD DOG OWNER !) do the sensible thing and dont use their dogs for breeding any more .
Thinking of you both right now....
I am absolutely guted for you and for Jem ......Can only imagine what you going through after such devastating news.......
It is good that you have posted on here so at least the information about ths issue is getting out there, unfortunately I dont think th KC is particularly proactive
I just hope that Jems breeders ( Bitch AND STUD DOG OWNER !) do the sensible thing and dont use their dogs for breeding any more .Thinking of you both right now....