What do we think of this?

[leeky]

Somebody go and ask the general public AND the gundog fraternity what is meant by the term "treats" in the context of pet and gundog training

[Wendy M]

I don't understand?

Do you seriously not understand lee????

Your son has effectively trained your dog with "treats" to sit next to him at meal times and he will not move.

Wendy

Are you sure you didn't mean food Wendy.

In "that" instance Lee, the "treat" was indeed food.

Wendy

[Judy]

I was going to sit and remedy all the quotes in this thread but I decided a glass of wine and a good book is far more important at my age. Could you all please try and use quotes sensibly and ensure the right people are saying what they are supposed to say?

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And if you keep saying "good dog" every time you walk past it, or give it food everytime you look at it, or cuddle it every ten minutes none of these things will work as rewards when you actually want to tell the dog It did good.

[Hepe]

And if you keep saying "good dog" every time you walk past it, or give it food everytime you look at it, or cuddle it every ten minutes none of these things will work as rewards when you actually want to tell the dog It did good.

You mean they actually had to do something good for you to reward it?

Actually i think you hit the nail there. Giving the dog attention (which for mine is a HUGE reward) or any other kind of wanted praise without it being earned will lead nowhere but downhill.

Helene

[Bryn]

I don't understand?

Do you seriously not understand lee????

Your son has effectively trained your dog with "treats" to sit next to him at meal times and he will not move.

Wendy

Are you sure you didn't mean food Wendy.[/quote]

food = treats.[/quote]

That's why I find it easier to use some of the kibble part of the daily ration as treats/rewards, I feed RAW in the morning and kibble at night so all I do is take a handful out of the kibble part in the morning and return any left over from the day in the evening. Means the dog still gets measured feeding so I don't end up with fat dogs and an empty wallet. The treat side of things is reducing rapidly as we've moved towards starting hunting so the retrieve is now becoming the reward. I'm really fond of my dog but no way am I carting a pocket full of sprats or pet-mince around

Agree with Judy and Hepe, and Wullie (Shakespeare), Henry IV part 1 3.2 -They surfeited with honey and began,
To loathe the taste of sweetness,

[trekmoor]

A bit like me with the wife then ?

Wullie

[Judy]

You give your wife treats?

[Nellie]

You give your wife treats?

Getting money out of Wullie? Nahhh.

[kent]

Jeepers, this is the most tangents I have ever seen on any forum thread However I will still add " if you cannot learn something from anybody, you have a closed mind". On correction issues I stand somewhere between Konrad Most and Victoria Stilwell, seems absurd really but the truth it you need to be adaptable. The same on reward, I have recently seen a previously non -retrieving cocker that was turned into a compulsive retriever via treats (oh it was also quite overweight ), contrary to popular opinion it did not spit out anything but sat awaiting its reward with all sorts of sundry things from around the guys home. At one stage it sat with a used tissue, his daughters shoe, an old sock etc etc. I mean the thing was compulsive obsessive and just about every gundog trainer will say -it don't work and you will only end up with a spitter (me included up until I saw this dog). I don't subscribe to the pack leader theory anymore though I do subscribe to the fact you can make a dog terrified of you. I previously mentioned Moxon and a few have belittled the guy, yet were are their books? I have an extensive library of other trainers and guess what most have a habit of contradicting other great and respected hands. Like I say somewhere between Most and Stilwell suits me fine, just hope I can have the wit to know the when and where with which.

Apologies if you feel that I belittled Moxon. His was the first gundog training manual that I ever read &, never having thought about how dogs might think, I found it a revelation. It guided me through the training of my first springer. In fact, it was Moxon's romantic eulogising on the springer that made it my chosen breed. I was interested in trials at the time when he was also in attendance & my mentor was a, very loose , acquaintance of his so I met him & knew a bit about him. No one can take it away from him that his books are still available to this day but my point was that he was really of his day & there have been better books written since. The same as Konrad Most produced a seminal work of his day which, as I believe you yourself would admit, has become dated by
new advances in knowledge & techniques. A few years after I first read Moxon's book, Erlandson brought out his first book & that truly inspired me. I decided that is how I wanted to train dogs, & that's how I trained them for many years. Erlandson was of his day & has, in similar fashion, been surpassed by new authors, & now DVD's, which better reflect current training practices & dogs.

Naj

I do not rate the trend for film, look at the start of this very thread for one reason and the lack of content for the other. You simply cannot fit the contents of a smaller book into film. One must ask if the dogs have changed any, learn a little from them all say i

[Naj]

Well, we can agree on that - I love books, too.

Naj