Puppy protein

[Megsdad]

You will find a combination of certain fats and sugars have more affect regarding hyper activity.That and restricted activity in general.

Can you provide any good science to back this up? All I've read is anecdotal stuff but I'd love to be educated !

[currieddog1]

Yes. Certainly. Where do you want me to start?

If I take the time to explain in detail and point you towards leading lights in the field of mammal, plant and sub surface water species feeding data and experiments that tested individual foods=energy=activity, will you still be a doubter. If the answer is "yes" It will save some time.

Given the fact you answered a post on whether dogs sulk or not by saying " I probaby agree with this but always try to be sceptical about my assumtions" leads me to believe that if you can't make your own mind up about something, I'm going to have no chance.

[Judy]

They have more room to expand.

Meanwhile, was it puppy food we were gassing about?

Would that be an inert gas or one undergoing a change of state due to pressure changes? Just asking.

I think its one undergoing a sudden rapid release in pressure along with a cooler surrounding. Generally not inert but making a contribution to Global warming.

[vicky payne]

Many dogs seem more 'hyper' on diets with large amounts of protein from vegetable and grain sources than on the same protein levels from meat sources.
You can't compare the 'label' protein or fat levels between wet food, meat and kibble. You have to work out dry matter % to compare.
e.g. If a dry food is 10% moisture, 20% fat 25% protein the DM fat is 20/90 x 100 = 22% and the protein 28% (rounded!)
If a packet of tripe is 70% water, 14% fat and 14% protein the DM fat is 14/30 x 100 =47% and protein 47%!

It is perfectly possible to make your own diet for your puppy from meat, with some veg and bone. There are many books and websites which will help you so I won't go on too much here. But there are also many well formulated puppy foods out there, which if fed correctly will give you a happy healthy pup. If you don't want to raw feed but you think your puppy if 'hyper' on a very grain based food look for one with ore protein from meat. It will be more expensive but you'll also feed less.

[currieddog1]

Many dogs seem more 'hyper' on diets with large amounts of protein from vegetable and grain sources than on the same protein levels from meat sources.
You can't compare the 'label' protein or fat levels between wet food, meat and kibble. You have to work out dry matter % to compare.
e.g. If a dry food is 10% moisture, 20% fat 25% protein the DM fat is 20/90 x 100 = 22% and the protein 28% (rounded!)
If a packet of tripe is 70% water, 14% fat and 14% protein the DM fat is 14/30 x 100 =47% and protein 47%!

It is perfectly possible to make your own diet for your puppy from meat, with some veg and bone. There are many books and websites which will help you so I won't go on too much here. But there are also many well formulated puppy foods out there, which if fed correctly will give you a happy healthy pup. If you don't want to raw feed but you think your puppy if 'hyper' on a very grain based food look for one with ore protein from meat. It will be more expensive but you'll also feed less.

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Grain sources, whole grain sources that is, contain high levels of starch and sugars and with some, fat. The sugars in starch cause rises in blood sugar levels. Rice is relatively low in protein but higher in starch,sugars and carbs. Check the grain, rice, fat amounts in the food you feel makes your dog 'hyper' then check the small difference in % meat protein.

[David]

Yes. Certainly. Where do you want me to start?

If I take the time to explain in detail and point you towards leading lights in the field of mammal, plant and sub surface water species feeding data and experiments that tested individual foods=energy=activity, will you still be a doubter. If the answer is "yes" It will save some time.

Given the fact you answered a post on whether dogs sulk or not by saying " I probaby agree with this but always try to be sceptical about my assumtions" leads me to believe that if you can't make your own mind up about something, I'm going to have no chance.

You've done some deep reading of the forum since joining

[currieddog1]

It's the weather!

[Megsdad]

Yes. Certainly. Where do you want me to start?

If I take the time to explain in detail and point you towards leading lights in the field of mammal, plant and sub surface water species feeding data and experiments that tested individual foods=energy=activity, will you still be a doubter. If the answer is "yes" It will save some time.

Given the fact you answered a post on whether dogs sulk or not by saying " I probaby agree with this but always try to be sceptical about my assumtions" leads me to believe that if you can't make your own mind up about something, I'm going to have no chance.

You've done some deep reading of the forum since joining

Yes indeed David.
Not sure whether to feel flattered at being quoted for demonstrating an open mind or 'creeped out' at being stalked!

[Malfuss]

I got all excited when I saw my thread had hit 3 pages! Then read the posts and had a good chuckle about how it went from Puppy Protein to H3O, almost as funny as the bunny launcher thread.

I had fully intended to use a raw food diet with our bm but over read the subject and managed to get too hung up on the right balance, made it overly complicated and ended up keeping him on James Wellbeloved. Anyway, I found the BARF diet thread and this time it seems to have 'clicked'. I'm going to try to keep to a raw food diet for both of them, in just a few weeks the coat on our bm has improved and the poo quantity halved!

Having met the "hyper" pup in question who is quite simply divine I honestly think food aside what you're perceiving as hyper Jon is a springer pup. Granted I have no first hand knowledge of BMs but having had other breeds from pups before working bred pups tend to be more wired than other normal bouncy puppies.
That hyperactivity will soon be channelled once you can take him out and extend that brain training beyond the confines of the home and garden.
With regards his food I'd stick with whatever is the best option for your pocket and kitchen and what is best for Oscar in terms of look, feel and growth and enthusiasm for it.

Haha, if that was the norm I wouldn't even have mentioned it, I was surprised how calm he was at yours, hence my text asking if I could bring him round more often! I think his level of excitement at yours was probably the same level as Alfie was when a pup to give you a rough idea. At home he's 4-5 times as hectic but I think you're right and getting his brain challenged will help.