Whats an acceptable level of Chastisement?

[tangaroa]

Again thanks for your replies, as to Naj my thoughts on "acceptable" haven't changed. My dog has need correcting on numerous occasions, but never felt the need to wield a stick, swear or kick it, he knows when I am displeased and knows when he has done well by voice or body language. I have until the next season now to tune in better with him get the best out of him.

[Rascal]

Can you define "in tune" because for me I'd want to be "in tune" with mine long before I took it anywhere near a shoot?

Rascal

[beechessam]

I don't kick or wield a stick, but not swearing? That's going too far! I've often stopped mine from moving and even in mid flight with a very quick "don't you !!!!! Dare!" Not sure it would have the same effect without the expletives!

[Andrew]

The expletives are very important, so much more expression can put into the command, I no longer say "Get On"

[Alice]

I don't kick or wield a stick, but not swearing? That's going too far! I've often stopped mine from moving and even in mid flight with a very quick "don't you !!!!! Dare!" Not sure it would have the same effect without the expletives!

I think my cocker sometimes thinks her name is 'yooooou little *&%$" ' - a quick growl of that stops any creeping!

[Mike A]

I try not to train in public areas , people would think I've got Tourette's

[newf]

The trouble is, final proofing has to be done in public. Distraction may be hard for both the dog and the handler. A growl, a pointed finger or a quick jerk on a lead can bring about onlooker chastisement of the handler. An aversive experience for the handler in some cases can lead to accepting of lax behaviours that can become frustrating to both the dog and handler because of inconsistencies from yard to the real world.

[greenshank1]

I try not to train in public areas , people would think I've got Tourette's

Most honest post this year .

Training is where the full and Frank discussions should be held. We have a beater that has the most colourful language to his spaniel s on shoot days and you should see the blushes and reaction he gets. He is of course pretty deaf so roars the expletives. My kids try and count the swears throughout the day

[Naj]

The trouble is, final proofing has to be done in public. Distraction may be hard for both the dog and the handler. A growl, a pointed finger or a quick jerk on a lead can bring about onlooker chastisement of the handler. An aversive experience for the handler in some cases can lead to accepting of lax behaviours that can become frustrating to both the dog and handler because of inconsistencies from yard to the real world.

I'm not sure why you think final proofing needs to be done in public, unless you're talking about walking/exercising the dog in a public place. Perhaps if you're embarrassed by the methods you use it's time to look for new ones.

Naj

[Judy]

No point in doing all your training in isolation and then expecting the dog to work in company on the shoot. And if people wish to growl at the dog, jerk the lead or or point a finger it really isn't anybody else's business! Too many holier than thou folks willing to interfere these days, usually the ones who have no idea how to gain any kind of control over their designer mutts. Come here and have one of Mummy's sweeties darling, leave that nasty man alone how dare he growl like that.