Originally posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 11:33 am
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There is a dog training saying I am fond of, " What you let a dog do you are training it to do." This morning I "trained" Charlie to chase rabbits. This was completely unintentional and there was nothing I could do to put a stop to it. This happened right at the very end of a very good training session as we headed back to the car.
I'll start at the beginning. I took Charlie to a very rabbity area but I deliberately got there late. I could already see another couple of dog walkers and even some forestry workers moving around. I trained my G.S.P. pup who is a complete headcase to be steady to rabbits there - the ground conditions made this fairly easy. Large areas of tufty grass is broken up by forestry and other woodlands. These areas often have pigmesh fencing around them and are topped with a single strand of wire , sometimes barbed wire.
When the G.S.P. was young he was taken there and if he pointed by scent or by sight on a rabbit it was easy to gain full control of him - that's what leads are for ! If he chased, the rabbit always went through the nearby fencing and my pup was easily caught and "reasoned" with !
Today Charlie was hunted directly into a strong wind and some light rain very near to one of these fences. He went like stink !!! The scent was very fresh and at times I could see over the tops of the grassy clumps , rabbits were running back into the forestry 40 yards or so ahead of us.
Charlie couldn't see them from his height but he knew they were there, in frustration and excitement he began to bounce trying to spot them. He had been obeying the turn whistle well but now he began to bore into the wind. I am accustomed to watching pointing dogs work and I could tell by the way Charlie was moving and holding his head that he was air scenting still sitting rabbits from 30 to 50 yards away. He wanted what he knew was further up ahead and bored into the wind. He threw a deafie to my turn whistle and ignored my yell too for by by now he had located and was chasing the object of his desire. The rabbit got away easily, Charlie was halted by the fence and I got to him smartish and led him away.
I didn't want a repetition of this so I tried another area. This area has some very large gorse bush clumps. Again I hunted Charlie straight into the wind . The gorse seemed like a stopper to him, he did not penetrate it at all , he just ran the little trackways between the clumps. I have seen rabbits there before and I could see their droppings all around me as I hunted him but he would not go in .
The bushes had clearly visible rabbit runs going right into them and Charlie suddenly dived into one of these , a rabbit dived just as suddenly out of the other end of the bush! Charlie needed the recall whistle to get him back out . He finally reappeared from 15 feet off to one side. There must be a maze of tunnels in that gorse.
This happened again and then again . I could see rabbits coming out of the gorse . I think the ones I saw were the tip of the iceberg. Charlie was having a great time - I got a hold of him and pulled out a few stray prickles from him. He seems to go in O.K. - IF he scents game in there.
I have noticed that if I try to enforce a sit to whistle at a distance of more than about 5 feet Charlie looks worried . I have tried giving him treats for sitting but he still looks worried and does not behave in his usual happy manner. I don't like to see a dog look worried - though I think at times he is "trying it on" so I tried something different this morning.
Charlie, by now, was going bananas , so much scent , so much for a wee fella to do ! Normally the advice given to dog trainers by dog trainers is train the dog in a quiet place first then slowly add ever stronger distractions. I had been doing this with Charlie but, as I said, he looked and acted worried. I now broke the "distractions" rule , I began to train the sit to whistle just where Charlie wanted to hunt. By the end of a short session of hunting him then stopping him using whistle and hand signal and body language - slightly threatening - I had him stopping then sitting up to 10 feet away. The sits were very slow but he did sit and because the scents and things of interest were all around us he was still keen to "go" again. The distractions were working for me rather than against me. I will continue to work on this and I will try to speed up his sit - he sits very fast close in , I want the same further out.
I did a marked retrieve and Charlie did his usual run in . I looped his lead over a fence post and threw again and Charlie went ballistic. I had sat him before throwing and had now to sit him again - several times !
I eventually got him calm enough to remain sitting and quietly took off his lead but kept gently holding him . Adopting my best stern master pose I now slowly straightened and stood up . Charlie stayed for 2 to 3 seconds so I sent him before he broke . He had bother finding this mark , I had distracted him badly and there had now been a considrable time lapse since I had thrown the dummy. I think the scent conditions were very good today, he did find it in the middle of a big clump of spike grass.
I was already standing at a fence line so I kept my back hard against it and just as well too for Charlie tried to sideslip me with the dummy.
I was by now very knackered, I have a slight heart condition , so while Charlie investigated all around me I sat on a boulder with my back against the fence and leaned back watching Charlie. He returned from a short foray stopped dead 10 -12 feet from me and began to snarl and growl at me !
I was baffled and horrified at this , then horror took on a whole new meaning for me. I heard a low rumbling noise, then felt something warm and very wet slide right up my neck, cheek and ear. Then an earth shattering noise went off right in my ear .............. Mooooooooooooooh !!!
Bloody cow

I hope it fills a dog food can !!! It had licked me right up the side of my face! I had been rigid with fright , it took me a couple of seconds to turn to face my tormentor. We stared at each other over the fence, I hadn't even known there were cows over that fence ! My poor old ticker struggled on and Charlie and I moved on.
I tried a long memory over some very broken ground covered in thick spike grass and a few straggly bits of bramble bush. This was about 80 -90 yards and involved him crossing a ditch , running through heavy spike grass taller than he is then finding the dummy where I had tossed it just underneath a thorn bush.
I lost sight of him several times when he was sent back for it but always he reappeared still going hard in the right direction. He got into the area and I attempted to help him by shouting . "There !" I don't know if it helped or not but he quickly found the dummy and returned with it. It was a good retrieve.
I was very happy with the mornings work and headed back to the car. Within 100 yards of the car Charlie trotted along a forestry fence line . A rabbit ran from under my feet and went under the fence 10 yards from Charlie. He spotted it and went for it . I wasn't worried , the fence was there ......... so was the tiny hole under it !!! I would have thought there was barely space for a rabbit to squeeze through but Charlie dived under and through faster than a rat going up a drain pipe !!!!
Pandemonium ensued, this strip of plantation isn't big, maybe 50 yards by 30 yards. I could see most of what went on but I could not get in ! The mesh fence is high and is topped by barbed wire. I have spondalitis and my arms would not work well enough to get me over such a fence. The enclosure was chock a block with very young trees ...... and with rabbits !
Charlie pushed them out and chased them all over the place. There was a burrow or three in there but not all of the rabbits belonged to it. Some of them appeared lost and some went out through the wire fence to run across the grass into other wood strips. Charlie chased happily on, blowing the whistle was senseless and useless, I restrained myself from even trying it. I did try yelling but with no discernible effect.
Luck came my way, he was running out of rabbits when I spotted one he'd put up coming towards me with Charlie not far behind ! This rabbit was one of the "visitors" it wanted back to its own warren . It came out of the same little gap Charlie had got in by and it was so scared of the little black demon right on its' scut that it almost ran over my foot, it hadn't even seen me !
Charlie wasn't thinking of me either but this was my chance , I put my leads noose over the little gap under the fence and simply let him lassoo himself as he chased his rabbit. I even had the presence of mind to blow the stop whistle when I pulled him onto his back as he chased off. He was not at all abashed by his behaviour and , of course, I cannot blame him for it.
But did I spend my morning training a future gundog or was I simply training a dog to chase rabbits ???
I'm annoyed with myself that this happened and have gone over it again and again in my mind but , for the most part, I can't really blame myself either.
I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that he chases rabbits and will do almost anything to get to them. I have to start some serious work on control now . I may try doing this during what I hope will be rabbit siesta time in the afternoons, that should provide enough scent to keep him happier about accepting any corrections while still avoiding an actual chase.
Wullie