ALGULAN ?

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Funny how so many people are rabidly anti vaccination and yet others would happily dip their dogs in a product they had to wear a biosuit to use....
this occurred to me too. I think I probably remain consistent by being neither anti-vaccination for myself nor my dogs, and regularly put products on my hair without gloves or tests when they recommend that I should do so.

I do still worry that I am more concerned about what I put on/feed to my animals than myself though...
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This product was an organophosphate & as all such products, highly toxic. Hence the reason why it was withdrawn from the market. I used to use it & it was highly effective, but I've no wish to go anywhere near OPs again now we know how toxic they are. OPs used to be used in sheep dips & a lot of older farmers suffer from something resembling ME as a result of handling it. The stuff that has replaced it is safer for humans & stock but is reputedly lethal to bugs if it gets into a waterway, which is hard for it not to! I believe that it is possible to use ivomectim to worm dogs & other domestic animals, if you know the right doses, but I would not wish to use any systemic insecticide/vermicide on one of my dogs. I wonder if we know the full implications of using it on farm animals. I do know that some salmon farmers have been caught using ivomectim on salmon, just pouring it into the water, & it doesn't go well for them if they are found out.
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Pretty certain it's Ivermectin which is poisonous to collies and collie cross dogs? Can anyone remember?
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Judy wrote:Pretty certain it's Ivermectin which is poisonous to collies and collie cross dogs? Can anyone remember?
Yep, kills them.
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Ivermectin only causes problems in ivermectin sensitive collies! There is a problem with their blood-brain barrier. It can now be screened for with DNA tests and interestingly the mutation causes adverse reaction to a whole list of common drugs. Various breeds and crosses are affected including border collies, bearded collies, oes, shelties rough and smooth collies and working sheep dogs. Despite various scare stories it is safe to use some closely related wormers in these dogs at the correct doses so collie owners need not stay clear of advocate, stronghold or milbemax but must be very carefully around horse feed buckets on worming day!
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Thanks Vicky. Must have been quite scary prescribing for collie types at one time then!
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Judy wrote:Pretty certain it's Ivermectin which is poisonous to collies and collie cross dogs? Can anyone remember?
And to Irish water spaniels!

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Not a huge fan of this lab but they have good info on the 'breeds' affected by this particular mutation and the other drugs to watch for. Hepe; I don'tknow if it's the same mutation in IWS as they aren't listed...

http://www.laboklin.co.uk/laboklin/show ... estID=8032
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I’ve a small supply of Alugan powder I’ve saved for years but can’t remember the solution dosage. Can anyone help please? I now have a use for it as a horse came in for training recently which I suspect has lice and needs immediate treatment I would certainly follow advice and wear gloves, old clothes etc
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Pendlebury wrote: Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:21 am I’ve a small supply of Alugan powder I’ve saved for years but can’t remember the solution dosage. Can anyone help please? I now have a use for it as a horse came in for training recently which I suspect has lice and needs immediate treatment I would certainly follow advice and wear gloves, old clothes etc
This is an organophosphate which has been banned in the UK for at least twenty years, as such I don't think it is appropriate for you to use it. The product should be sealed and taken to your local waste disposal site where they will be able to deal with it responsibly.
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